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Old 10-04-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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If he serves out his obligation and leaves the military on good terms that West Point Degree should help him out.

Well, yeah. If what I predicted actually happens, his next four years would relatively stink, but as a civilian afterward none of that stink would really stick.
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Old 10-04-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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He should be sent to fort polk, La.
very good idea....he could command OPFOR (pretend he's a Russian Military Officer) since he seems pro-communism.....
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Old 10-04-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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Kick him out!
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Old 10-04-2017, 02:46 PM
 
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https://www.stripes.com/news/us/sen-...9#.WdU9bWiPK70

SEN Rubio's thoughts on the subject.
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Old 10-04-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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SEN Rubio's thoughts on the subject.
I do think at a minimum his commission should be revoked.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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I do think at a minimum his commission should be revoked.
Commissions can't just be "revoked." That would call for a general court-martial, which is a really big deal. Part of his defense would be precedent--how has the military handled similar offenses of political activity in recent years, most of which would not have reached the media. I suspect most have been handled lightly.

Ultimately, the Army is going to determine what is really best for the Army, and that might--I strongly suspect--putting this guy into a closet until they can walk him out the door without fanfare.
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Old 10-04-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Sounds like he's going to be scrubbing a lot of floors with a toothbrush for years. Serves him right.
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Old 10-04-2017, 05:45 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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SEN Rubio's thoughts on the subject.


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In a letter to acting Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, Sen. Rubio said 2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone’s statements should be an “extreme embarrassment” for West Point and the U.S. Army and that his West Point diploma should be revoked.

“It is extremely concerning that someone who so often expressed such hostile views towards the United States’ system of government was able to obtain a commission,” Sen. Rubio wrote. “Rapone’s revolutionary ideas were harbored long before he was commissioned as an Army Second Lieutenant. Were West Point administrators or faculty aware of his views and behavior?”
And Senator Rubio's comments continue... I agree with what I read. I don't know if the West diploma can be revoked...
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Old 10-04-2017, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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And Senator Rubio's comments continue... I agree with what I read. I don't know if the West diploma can be revoked...
Yes, thats the big thing. I'm sure this "thing" thought that he could get away with his conduct even if he had to endure some tough duty to do it. The West Point degree is obviously of great value to him else he would have left after 2 years.

He might be planning on graduate school, maybe even law school later, most likely is a good student. Some of the state universities might reject him. But say Harvard? Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him there (not knocking Harvard but thats the way they roll). Revoke the degree and those thoughts are over.

West Point has a tremendous reputation, why should he benefit from it, he doesn't deserve it.

There is kind of a legal precedent. Thinking about this, did a google, found that Case Western medical school recently revoked a MD degree given to one of their students based on his conduct not his academics (turns out he was a good student, but totally unfit to be a doctor). I bet West Point is looking at the legal aspects of this very carefully.
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Old 10-04-2017, 07:37 PM
 
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Yes, thats the big thing. I'm sure this "thing" thought that he could get away with his conduct even if he had to endure some tough duty to do it. The West Point degree is obviously of great value to him else he would have left after 2 years.

He might be planning on graduate school, maybe even law school later, most likely is a good student. Some of the state universities might reject him. But say Harvard? Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him there (not knocking Harvard but thats the way they roll). Revoke the degree and those thoughts are over.

West Point has a tremendous reputation, why should he benefit from it, he doesn't deserve it.

There is kind of a legal precedent. Thinking about this, did a google, found that Case Western medical school recently revoked a MD degree given to one of their students based on his conduct not his academics (turns out he was a good student, but totally unfit to be a doctor). I bet West Point is looking at the legal aspects of this very carefully.
It could be tougher than you think. I see only two possible crimes here--and we have to be talking about crimes.

One is unauthorized political statement in uniform, a genuine violation of regulations. The problem of prosecuting this is that it happens frequently and rarely results in judicial punishment. That's an element for the defense.

The other is whether he lied about being a member of the Communist Party--if that question is even asked anymore. If he had answered that question, "No," then the prosecution still has to prove he's actually a registered member of the Communist Party...which he probably is not.

If that criminal prosecution fails, his command structure would be hampered from taking any other kind of action against him for those acts.

That's why I figure he's just going to get the maximum amount of jerking around he can get under an Article 15.
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