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Old 12-02-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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Probably a seperate thread. The Air Force is offering some pilots almost $500K in incentives and they are still leaving.

If you're not going to be a pilot, why is this a factor in your decision?

You're really really over thinking this. No job is perfect. No career is perfect. If you're trying to find a perfect career with no drawbacks, you're never going to find it.

Do you want the benefits from the Air Force, to serve your country and do something amazing, or do you want to keep going to college and find some other regular job you don't like? It's as simple as that. Stop trying to find reasons not to join.

Only about 4% of us are pilots, so unless you're trying to be a pilot, who cares?
My neighbor's son is graduating in May with B.S. in mechanical engineering. He has been in AF ROTC all 4 years wanting to be a pilot, top 10% of his class, top graduate from ROTC camp, etc. He passed the tests and got a pilot's slot. Went to pilot's medical examination and they found some 'little problem' with his eye.

According to his Dad, they not only dropped him from pilot slot/training but from all officer slots. The young man has appealed so I haven't heard the end of the story.

I understand that Dad may not have all the info. But shows to go you, there could be what seems the slightest little thing to us that may be significant in extreme situations or over time. and that the AF is on the look out for present and future dangers for its good and the person's.

I wish this young man well and hope they allow him an officer's slot somewhere in the AF. And accept it is possible there is a lot more to the story that Dad doesn't know. But he is a good kid and I doubt he did anything stupid that he isn't telling Dad.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:06 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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My neighbor's son is graduating in May with B.S. in mechanical engineering. He has been in AF ROTC all 4 years wanting to be a pilot, top 10% of his class, top graduate from ROTC camp, etc. He passed the tests and got a pilot's slot. Went to pilot's medical examination and they found some 'little problem' with his eye.

According to his Dad, they not only dropped him from pilot slot/training but from all officer slots. The young man has appealed so I haven't heard the end of the story.

I understand that Dad may not have all the info. But shows to go you, there could be what seems the slightest little thing to us that may be significant in extreme situations or over time. and that the AF is on the look out for present and future dangers for its good and the person's.

I wish this young man well and hope they allow him an officer's slot somewhere in the AF. And accept it is possible there is a lot more to the story that Dad doesn't know. But he is a good kid and I doubt he did anything stupid that he isn't telling Dad.
This is a totally plausible story. We're incredibly strict about eyes.
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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Congrats on becoming a citizen!!
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:42 PM
 
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Confession: I haven't read all 9 pages of replies. I've looked through the past few, though. Sounds like some great advice!
As far as what you want to do, remember, the Air Force has planes. Normal for planes is in the air. There are a LOT of jobs that are required to make this happen. From Vehicle maintenance, Security, Ordinance, Fire Protection, Supply, Services, Maintenance, Flight Engineer, Loadmaster, Aerialport. And lots of other support jobs, like finance, medical, facilities/Civil Engineer, Communications/IT.

What have you always wanted to do with your life? Is there something that would compare on an Air Force base?

Do you know that Aircraft Maintenance consists of many skills including hydraulics, fuels, Electrical/environmental, Flight/Survival equipment, machinists and tin benders, crew chiefs which are like the pit crew and best of all avionics which can open doors at the FAA without an A&P license. If you aren't excited about acft maintenance, then don't do it.

In the CE Squadron you have plumbers, HVAC, Electricians, Power Production, carpenters, Engineering Assistants (very cool job there). (forgot to add heavy equipment/dirt boys)

There are meteorology jobs, intelligence, equipment calibration, cryogenics, explosive ordinance disposal, combat truckers.

Okay, that's all I got.

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Old 12-13-2017, 11:37 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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I think you should take the ASVAB, and see what jobs you are qualified for, and then if they still do it, go in on a guaranteed job. I did it as an air traffic controller back in 81. Absolutely LOVED doing ATC! I was in the Radar approach control side of it rather than the tower. It was a cross between video games and chess. Need goid spatial abilities, be able to think fast, yet plan out your next moves. Then something unexpected happens, like a pilot declaring an emergency, so you have to rearrange everything. It was a blast.
If you don't go in with a guaranteed job, you could end up in supply or in the mess hall, preparing food.
Loved my job. Military was ok. I'd suggest getting a job that has the ability to transfer into civilian life after you get out.
If you can be stationed overseas, go for it. I was in England for 3 yrs, and while I was really happy to get back to the states, I wouldn't have missed the experience for anything.
PS- The physical requirements for the AD are a breeze. You can walk/jog the 1.5 miles and still make the time. Once you are out of basic, you very rarely do any PT.
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Old 12-15-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Guam
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PS- The physical requirements for the AD are a breeze. You can walk/jog the 1.5 miles and still make the time. Once you are out of basic, you very rarely do any PT.
PT is AFSC and squadron dependant. The AF is big on running and PT. Many have been discharged for not meeting standards;

https://www.thebalance.com/preparing...aining-3331742

2018 Air Force Physical Fitness Test Standards
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Old 12-16-2017, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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I think you should take the ASVAB, and see what jobs you are qualified for, and then if they still do it, go in on a guaranteed job. I did it as an air traffic controller back in 81. Absolutely LOVED doing ATC! I was in the Radar approach control side of it rather than the tower. It was a cross between video games and chess. Need goid spatial abilities, be able to think fast, yet plan out your next moves. Then something unexpected happens, like a pilot declaring an emergency, so you have to rearrange everything. It was a blast.
If you don't go in with a guaranteed job, you could end up in supply or in the mess hall, preparing food.
Loved my job. Military was ok. I'd suggest getting a job that has the ability to transfer into civilian life after you get out.
If you can be stationed overseas, go for it. I was in England for 3 yrs, and while I was really happy to get back to the states, I wouldn't have missed the experience for anything.
PS- The physical requirements for the AD are a breeze. You can walk/jog the 1.5 miles and still make the time. Once you are out of basic, you very rarely do any PT.

Not true any more. All the services go through phases where it is fat and happy. But in lean times when they slow recruitment and process out service members to downsize the force they use PFT (physical fitness tests) results to weed out those that just don't make the grade. They might give you some time to get back in but currently failure at minimum is a bar to re-enlistment. An officer better be able to make the grade or they are cut faster than butter with a hot knife. But as I said it has a lot to do with current events and who is in the oval office.
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Old 12-17-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Not true any more. All the services go through phases where it is fat and happy. But in lean times when they slow recruitment and process out service members to downsize the force they use PFT (physical fitness tests) results to weed out those that just don't make the grade. They might give you some time to get back in but currently failure at minimum is a bar to re-enlistment. An officer better be able to make the grade or they are cut faster than butter with a hot knife. But as I said it has a lot to do with current events and who is in the oval office.
In the Air Force you have to fail FOUR fitness tests in A ROW (except basic) before you can be separated. I've never even known a person to be seperated for PT outside of basic training. You can't take a test more than every 45 days, so it's slow. Meanwhile, they put you with a pseudo-personal trainer for months to get you into shape.
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