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Old 11-17-2017, 11:27 PM
 
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I know that they're nothing like in the movie and a gunshot is still very much audible even with one, but does anyone in the military use them? Given that they are still very loud with them, what is the point of anyone using them at all?
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:00 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I know that they're nothing like in the movie and a gunshot is still very much audible even with one, but does anyone in the military use them? Given that they are still very loud with them, what is the point of anyone using them at all?
I saw a demonstration of "weapons suppressors" over 20 years ago on the M-14.

From article, worth reading: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...field-tactics/

The new stealth infantry: How suppressors will change battlefield tactics
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Weapons suppressors are not silencers like those in movies, where a whisper of sound puffs out of an assassin's gun. Instead, the devices decrease but do not eliminate the bang and sonic crack of high-powered rifle rounds.
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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Of course they do.

Corps Wants to Put Silencers on a Whole Infantry Battalion | Military.com
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Old 11-21-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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When you think about it, it's rather surprising that it's taken this long or that anyone pushes against it.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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To the OP, yes special operations has used suppressors for a very long time, not just for the reduced sound. They also greatly reduce the recoil of rifles, which helps increase accuracy at long range, and helps with fatigue. Muzzle brakes do the same thing, but they direct and concentrate the sound back towards the operator. I recently had the privilege to speak to a Marine the other day who has some serious hearing loss due to firing his M4 in close quarters situations in Iraq. Shooting from small rooms bounced and concentrated the sound waves. He complained that "foamies" they were issued dropped out of their ears, and lots of Marines in his unit just went without. He also said that not being able to hear while fighting in an urban environment was nerve wracking.


I have "tried out" a couple of rifles with suppressors, and it does help reduce the sound. That being said, they are extremely impractical, unless they are integrated into the barrel from the factory. For a rifle, most are about 6 inches long, which makes the rifle harder to maneuver.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:37 PM
 
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To the OP, yes special operations has used suppressors for a very long time, not just for the reduced sound. They also greatly reduce the recoil of rifles, which helps increase accuracy at long range, and helps with fatigue. Muzzle brakes do the same thing, but they direct and concentrate the sound back towards the operator. I recently had the privilege to speak to a Marine the other day who has some serious hearing loss due to firing his M4 in close quarters situations in Iraq. Shooting from small rooms bounced and concentrated the sound waves. He complained that "foamies" they were issued dropped out of their ears, and lots of Marines in his unit just went without. He also said that not being able to hear while fighting in an urban environment was nerve wracking.


I have "tried out" a couple of rifles with suppressors, and it does help reduce the sound. That being said, they are extremely impractical, unless they are integrated into the barrel from the factory. For a rifle, most are about 6 inches long, which makes the rifle harder to maneuver.
Couldn't the military order integrated silencers on their weapons? Or retrofit them in a machine shop?
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:25 PM
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Couldn't the military order integrated silencers on their weapons? Or retrofit them in a machine shop?
Yeah they can pretty much do what they need to do for the mission.
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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Yeah they can pretty much do what they need to do for the mission.
But they don't, why is that?
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Old 11-21-2017, 07:01 PM
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But they don't, why is that?
Maybe they do but dont advertise it? I dont know other than that.
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Old Today, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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When you think about it, it's rather surprising that it's taken this long or that anyone pushes against it.
That was my thought as well. The only thing that I can figure is cost and the basic tactic consisted of putting out fire and noise as a base not so much as a killing force, but for others to use to maneuver. The entire S.L.A. Marshall theory that not given perfect targets riflemen did not fire for suppression.
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