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Old 12-23-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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For Veterans, a Path to Healing ‘Moral Injury’
By Aaron Pratt Shepherd


The term “moral injury” was popularized in the mid-1990s by Jonathan Shay, a staff psychiatrist at a Department of Veterans Affairs outpatient clinic in Boston who was working with veterans suffering from psychological trauma. Dr. Shay describes moral injury as a result of being ordered to do something in a “high-stakes situation” that violates an individual’s deeply held beliefs about what is right.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/o...al-injury.html
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:06 PM
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Location: Wasilla, AK
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For Veterans, a Path to Healing ‘Moral Injury’
By Aaron Pratt Shepherd


The term “moral injury” was popularized in the mid-1990s by Jonathan Shay, a staff psychiatrist at a Department of Veterans Affairs outpatient clinic in Boston who was working with veterans suffering from psychological trauma. Dr. Shay describes moral injury as a result of being ordered to do something in a “high-stakes situation” that violates an individual’s deeply held beliefs about what is right.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/o...al-injury.html
There are two types of orders...lawful orders and unlawful orders. When you sign up, you are expected to obey all lawful orders. If that's a problem, then perhaps a military career is not for you.
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Old 12-24-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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When we were in Kosovo, the Clinton Administration coined the phrase 'Ethnic Albanians' to describe local Muslims.

Muslims in the area had been attacking Christian villages in retaliation for previous attacks on Muslim villages. Both sides had been attacking each other, back and forth for a long time. It was a war between these two religious groups. We were there to defend the Muslims, not to enforce a peace or cease-fire.

We could attend church services together, but once we step outside we were expected to be exchanging fire.

Some had moral issues with that.

Many times I was approached by British or Turk personnel and asked about who these 'ethnic Albanians' were? Nobody in NATO had ever heard of such a group.
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Old 12-24-2017, 01:41 PM
 
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When we were in Kosovo, the Clinton Administration coined the phrase 'Ethnic Albanians' to describe local Muslims....

Many times I was approached by British or Turk personnel and asked about who these 'ethnic Albanians' were? Nobody in NATO had ever heard of such a group.
They were jackasses then. And Clinton did not invent the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians
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Old 12-24-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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They were jackasses then. And Clinton did not invent the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians
I have no idea who invented the term. Nobody in Europe had ever heard of such a term.

The tail wags the dog, right?
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Old 12-24-2017, 05:02 PM
 
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When we were in Kosovo, the Clinton Administration coined the phrase 'Ethnic Albanians' to describe local Muslims.

Muslims in the area had been attacking Christian villages in retaliation for previous attacks on Muslim villages. Both sides had been attacking each other, back and forth for a long time. It was a war between these two religious groups. We were there to defend the Muslims, not to enforce a peace or cease-fire.

We could attend church services together, but once we step outside we were expected to be exchanging fire.

Some had moral issues with that.

Many times I was approached by British or Turk personnel and asked about who these 'ethnic Albanians' were? Nobody in NATO had ever heard of such a group.
That was a fight we should have stayed out of. It was one of those situations in which the fighting was localized and neither side was good nor evil. Both sides had their devils. There were other conflicts going on at the time but Clinton decided this was our fight, no matter how much he “loathed the military”.
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