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Old 04-09-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I'm not sure why I opened this thread but it certainly delivers-


How is someone who is either emotionally fragile enough to need a therapy dog or so entitled they would falsely claim their dog as a therapy dog going to make it in the military?



Heck- I work on a college campus and even we roll our eyes at that trend.
Well said.
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Old 04-09-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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How is someone who is either emotionally fragile enough to need a therapy dog or so entitled they would falsely claim their dog as a therapy dog going to make it in the military?
Ethically, a loser either way. But there are ethical losers in the military.

However, inasmuch as there was never an official diagnosis for either circumstance, it's an honest answer, "no" to that specific question.

OTOH, when I was polygraphed for a particular intelligence job in DC, there were a couple of questions that would have flunked me had I done either of those things, simply because of the dishonesty involved. "Have you ever lied to gain an advantage that you didn't deserve?"
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Old 04-09-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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That's the thing. I'm not sure how there even is a diagnoses.. the online thing is just a multiple question type test, you pay a fee and a doctor writes an official letter. Personal info like social, driver's license etc isn't even taken. So idk how there's even official records to tie the stuff to any specific person, other than a name and birthdate (but technically anyone could do this for any random person).
I believe the letter might say something like she is mentally stressed and dependant on having a partner nearby (the dog) or something. But but due to what I said above I still don't understand how the whole thing is even credible without actual therapy sessions, personal info and what not
This is as scary as her owning a weapon..............
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Old 04-09-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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Fake comfort dogs are biting people and children on airlines. People are using the law to force landlords to rent to people with pit bulls. I would not want a liar who throws a dog aside for their advantage defending me or my country.
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:40 PM
 
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Fake comfort dogs are biting people and children on airlines. People are using the law to force landlords to rent to people with pit bulls. I would not want a liar who throws a dog aside for their advantage defending me or my country.
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:18 PM
 
Location: State of Denial
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I agree. Either she has an emotional issue where she needs the ESA and should be disqualified or she lied to "cheat the system" and should be disqualified for that reason.

Now, talking to a walk-in counselor for 30 minutes probably is not an issue.
As Sir Walter Scott so eloquently wrote: "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."


If she's "anxious" enough to need a support dog, then she's too "anxious" for the military. She can't have it both ways.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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My feeling is that no one who has registered an emotional support animal should get to first base. An automatic NO!

Don't get me started on emotional support animals ! I am an animal lover, but anyone who has to have their Iguana or rabbit with them to make them function has problems no animal is going to fix.

This whole emotional support animal thing has gotten out of control.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:27 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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So a friend of mine talked to a military recruiter and was told some stuff I was unaware of. Just curious if it's true or not.

1st. She had talked to a counselor once a couple years ago for stress. It was just a walk in type thing she went to after a breakup and talked for like 30min and has never done anything since. Supposedly this is a red flag and could deny her being accepted? As well as possible needed security clearances cause it shows she's "mentally unstable".

2nd. This year she decided to get her dog registered as an emotional support animal by paying for some letter from a certified doctor online. Honestly I think it was just for the benefit of being able to take the dog with her on flights but i'm not 100% sure. Anyways, this is also an issue according to the recruiter for the same reasons listed above. Also, she has a CCW permit for the state she lives in and the recruiter thinks it's possible it will get revoked due to needing an ESA because that means she has a psychological problem.
(She is not trying to take the dog with after joining, or requesting to have any dog while enlisted)

Anyone able to share some details on this? Didn't think either of things were that serious since it wasn't continued therapy sessions and what not
1. Unlikely this will cause an issue if it really was just 1 session. It WILL likely cause a disqualification if the counselor noted that she needed counseling and recommended a follow-up, and your friend didn't attended needed follow-ups, and never resolved her issues.

2. I'm not sure about this because I've never had this come up with an applicant. I would imagine that it would cause a DQ because if you need an emotional support animal, that's not compatible with service. She'll have to convince MEPS she was running a scam, the animal wasn't needed, and then they're going to question her morals/ethics.

MEPS is incredibly difficult these days.

Overall, I think your friend would get it without much issue, maybe just a few hiccups.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Boise
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There's no room for fido in the foxhole. If one needs an emotional support of any kind, they are not a good fit for the military.

The military's job is to fight and win wars.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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This entire thread is wrong on multiple levels. OP if your friend is thinking on joining the military tell her to forget it. Once they find the counseling with the emotional problems they are going to stamp the application DQ.
Save her and all of us that headache.
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