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Old 07-24-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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Air Force is a considerably different service from the Navy in a great many aspects. The Air Force gives a bit of advantage to enlisted persons who wear wings (although flightline maintenance folk come pretty close second), but a Navy career is tremendously enhanced by sea duty. It's not easy--maybe impossible in most ratings--to break into the top two without a surface warfare badge.

In many, many ways, the Navy is different from other services--and the other services have more similarities to one another than they do to the Navy. Even a Marine has more military similarities to other service people than he does to a sailor.

Not saying anything is wrong with that--every service manages its people to win its battles, and every US service wins its battles, so they're all doing the right things.

But the Navy is different.
As my brother claimed at the time..... its the only place in the world to get training as a nucleur power plant employee.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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Air Force is a considerably different service from the Navy in a great many aspects. The Air Force gives a bit of advantage to enlisted persons who wear wings (although flightline maintenance folk come pretty close second), but a Navy career is tremendously enhanced by sea duty. It's not easy--maybe impossible in most ratings--to break into the top two without a surface warfare badge.

In many, many ways, the Navy is different from other services--and the other services have more similarities to one another than they do to the Navy. Even a Marine has more military similarities to other service people than he does to a sailor.

Not saying anything is wrong with that--every service manages its people to win its battles, and every US service wins its battles, so they're all doing the right things.

But the Navy is different.
You are correct !

If my 2 year obligation to active duty was longer, my sea duty would have started.

I only knew a few "airdales" who never went to sea,

They were in VP squadrons that had P-3 aircraft.

Over seas shore duty was their sea duty.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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As my brother claimed at the time..... its the only place in the world to get training as a nucleur power plant employee.
Around 1969 that was an Enlisted MOS for Army personnel. The training was at Ft. Belvoir. VA.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Although OP did not mention the name, my guess is that this person is actually Ike Densmore..
Yes. I dated him briefly years ago. I met him here in Texas where he had a job selling long distance service. Then he just sort of disappeared one day, leaving many unanswered questions. I don't remember him claiming to be a Navy Seal but he said he fought in Desert Storm. He actually was in the Army (not a lie, as far as I'm aware). I remember seeing medals that he displayed on a wall in his apartment.
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Old 07-24-2018, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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I worked for a guy who touted his military service every chance he got. Even when not provoked he'd bring it up. This ran contrary to what I usually experience when speaking with people with a military background. 99% are pretty humble about it and only talk about it if you bring it up and even then the ones who saw real stuff won't discuss it beyond maybe a few sentences. So right off the rip I found his behavior about his service odd. His story was that he was over in Saudi Arabia as part of Operation Desert Shield during the Persian Gulf War back in 1991 as a Marine. After he got fired we discovered that in reality while he was a Marine he was a nurse here in the states and had never left the country, never saw combat. Come to find out this was part of this guys bizarre make believe persona. He had a education specialist degree but did not have a phd in education but went out of his way to make people call him doctor. He would correct you if you called him Mr. Was an odd dude.

He may have been a nurse, but not in the Marine Corps. All of our medical care was provided by the navy. Even in combat, it is navy corpsmen who provide battlefield medical care. The Marine Corps has no doctors and no nurses.
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Old 07-24-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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To be a member of Naval Special Warfare/Operations community, you have four choices:
1) Navy Special Warfare (Official Site)
2) SEAL - Sea Air Land (SEAL Recruiter)
3) SWCC - Special Warfare Combatant Crewman
4) Naval Special Operations
Article: https://www.military.com/military-fi...-navy-spec-ops
This is incorrect.

There are two ratings which are considered Naval Special Warfare. SEAL (SO Rating) and SWCC (SB rating). So there is only two choices if you want to be "special warfare".

Naval Special Operations are what SEALS and SWCCS do for a living. The nature of SWCC work goes much further than what is available to the general public. It's more than just driving boats for the SEALS. I think everyone knows what SEALS do.

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I met two SEALs at a local VA hospital. Honestly speaking, no offense, there is nothing special about them. It means they are NOT any different from other military men. They are NOT better than, say, Marine Force Recons, MARSOC, Army rangers, Delta Force, etc, etc.
SEALS are special in the sense that they have operational capabilities that no other service has.

They also have their Tier 1 operators (DEVGRU) which tend to be called upon for very high profile missions.

As for people lying, it happens all the time due to the amount of attention SEALS receive. SEALS are almost demi-Gods to a lot of young men and junior enlisted so it's not surprising people lie about it for attention.
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Old 07-25-2018, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Metropolis IL
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You are correct !

If my 2 year obligation to active duty was longer, my sea duty would have started.

I only knew a few "airdales" who never went to sea,

They were in VP squadrons that had P-3 aircraft.

Over seas shore duty was their sea duty.
It wasn't unusual for Navy Air Traffic Controllers to do 20 years without serving aboard a carrier, but usually they wouldn't advance above AC1 because of it. Even with the best of career planning, most never did more than 2 separate 3 year tours at sea, out of a 20 year career. Reason being there were a lot more Naval Air Stations than aircraft carriers. After a couple of rounds of base closures in the 1990's, the balance began to change somewhat. I have no idea what it's like now.
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Old 07-25-2018, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Under Moon & Star
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I'm not familiar with that one. But I shudder every time a certain U.S. senator speaks disparagingly about the opposition when he once falsely claimed Viet Nam veteran status during his campaign.
How do you feel about a certain President who once bragged on nationally-syndicated radio that not getting an STD while nailing everything in sight was his own 'personal Vietnam'?
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Whole thing just seems nutty to me.

Wouldn't you expect that right out of the gate, someone would ask you something like "Navy, huh? What unit, when were you in, where were you stationed?" and you'd quickly give yourself away as a faker?

And nowadays with improved records, I would think anyone who claims to have been in the military in the last 50 years could rather quickly be checked out.

Especially with select groups like SEALS, where they have a lot of very specific common experiences that other people don't; seems like any real SEAL (or equivalent) could very quickly figure out if someone were BSing.

Sometimes I think of getting one of those US Navy caps with the ship name on it, to honor my father who was a Pearl Harbor vet, but even though it would be obvious that I am not claiming to have been on the USS Dobbin on 12/7/41 (I am a full 30 years too young!), even so, I won't do it because in my mind those caps are reserved for those who actually served on those ships.
This seems like a good place to step in to point out a few things.

When I talk about my past in the service, I don't specifically mention my commands. Why? I talk openly about what was done, the goods and the bads, but I don't directly say it happened at this or that command. I do so mostly for loyalty to my COs but also, in the realization that it is my opinion. My time in is described as the Cold War and not particular years. I state things so they are better understood by civilians.

Part of that reason is because things change over the years. Way back then, I was doing anti terrorism which was all the things you do so you aren't a target to someone. "Go find someone else, we aren't a push over." Organizing, training, drilling an augmentation force in HtH, combat pistol, first aid, search, patrolling, etc; showing that we were active and alert, having my watch section leaders trained about bomb threats by EOD, etc, etc, etc..

I am told that these days that anti terrorism is a power point lesson that is required. That it is all common sense and most people rush through it to get on liberty.

Next, things can happen in the military that are not in the general sense as many believe. For example, I trained military police troops (there's that thing again, saying things in a way so they are better understood) in hand to hand. Someone might then say, "Oh, you went to that school, were an instructor?". Yes an instructor but never to the school and since that falls outside what many expect, I might then be called a faker.

A thing or two about that. First of all, my Captain told me to do it so I did. Secondly, it is noted on my Fitrep making it an official record and really, that's good enough.

Which comes to another point about "common experiences". I was training sailors to beat the stuffing out of people but they weren't, I was not a SEAL. Special Warfare was not the only group in the Navy trained to be up close and personal and violent.

AS IT IS, I have so often been raked over the coals, disbelieved that I usually don't bother to talk about it at all.

About honoring thy father. I have several mementos, such as for 7th Cav, that I could wear for special occasions as that my father was part of that unit. In most circumstances, I probably would not because it is my nature to remain cloaked but having been the family representative at various official functions, there is that possibility.

About such things should only be worn by those who served on them. It is a reasonably notion but on the other hand, keep in mind two things. First of all that often, such items, are used as gifts of friendship between units. Now perhaps from there they are meant to be hung up on the "I like me wall", however. Secondly, parents often wear the cap of the unit their child is serving in............just saying.


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That is part of the problem if you are in the Navy and not on a ship/sub or fly and carry a rifle people are going to call you a SEAL. If in the Army a Ranger... In many situations it is easier just to go along with it and not fight to say I went to this school or did this similar or supporting job but am not a (fill in the blank). Especially since most don't want to sit through a 30 minute course on the differences between your unit/job and the famous elites............

Like I said above.


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As my brother claimed at the time...….. its the only place in the world to get training as a nucleur power plant employee.

These days, I imagine that is quite true. Once upon a time, however, it was not the only place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_N..._Power_Program


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Around 1969 that was an Enlisted MOS for Army personnel. The training was at Ft. Belvoir. VA.
As noted above.

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Old 07-26-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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This seems like a good place to step in to point out a few things.

When I talk about my past in the service, I don't specifically mention my commands. Why? I talk openly about what was done, the goods and the bads, but I don't directly say it happened at this or that command. I do so mostly for loyalty to my COs but also, in the realization that it is my opinion. My time in is described as the Cold War and not particular years. I state things so they are better understood by civilians.

Part of that reason is because things change over the years. Way back then, I was doing anti terrorism which was all the things you do so you aren't a target to someone. "Go find someone else, we aren't a push over." Organizing, training, drilling an augmentation force in HtH, combat pistol, first aid, search, patrolling, etc; showing that we were active and alert, having my watch section leaders trained about bomb threats by EOD, etc, etc, etc..

I am told that these days that anti terrorism is a power point lesson that is required. That it is all common sense and most people rush through it to get on liberty.

Next, things can happen in the military that are not in the general sense as many believe. For example, I trained military police troops (there's that thing again, saying things in a way so they are better understood) in hand to hand. Someone might then say, "Oh, you went to that school, were an instructor?". Yes an instructor but never to the school and since that falls outside what many expect, I might then be called a faker.

A thing or two about that. First of all, my Captain told me to do it so I did. Secondly, it is noted on my Fitrep making it an official record and really, that's good enough.

Which comes to another point about "common experiences". I was training sailors to beat the stuffing out of people but they weren't, I was not a SEAL. Special Warfare was not the only group in the Navy trained to be up close and personal and violent.

AS IT IS, I have so often been raked over the coals, disbelieved that I usually don't bother to talk about it at all.

About honoring thy father. I have several mementos, such as for 7th Cav, that I could wear for special occasions as that my father was part of that unit. In most circumstances, I probably would not because it is my nature to remain cloaked but having been the family representative at various official functions, there is that possibility.

About such things should only be worn by those who served on them. It is a reasonably notion but on the other hand, keep in mind two things. First of all that often, such items, are used as gifts of friendship between units. Now perhaps from there they are meant to be hung up on the "I like me wall", however. Secondly, parents often wear the cap of the unit their child is serving in............just saying.





Like I said above.





These days, I imagine that is quite true. Once upon a time, however, it was not the only place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_N..._Power_Program



As noted above.
He was in the navy in the early 80's......according to your link at that time he was right.
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