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Old 08-07-2018, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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The lower you score nowadays, the less likely you'll be accepted into any service.
Considering the Army allows high school dropout GED holders to enlist, one would have to be pretty brainless not to meet the minimal score of an Army ASVAB.

The test has to be easy, because all the other qualifications make it hard for people to enlist to begin with. Tattoos, criminal record, drug use, weight or obesity, medical history, credit history, etc. is an automatic disqualification. Hell the Air Force was kicking people out during basic freaking training because of tattoos.

Only 1% of the country qualifies to serve their country. And only 1% of that 1% is even interested in serving their country. So the ASVAB is rarely the disqualifying factor here (GED holders can pass it), it's usually all the other stuff.

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In the end, does it make sense that if one does not want to fight in combat then its probably best that you don't join. Agree?
Not true, as long as you have the brains to score high on your ASVAB and choose the right branch which allows a greater selection of jobs, your chance of fighting in actual combat are very low. And just because you deploy doesn't mean you'll be kicking down doors. Many people who deploy are in supporting roles "behind the wire." Behind the wire could face some occasional shelling or a rogue local who decides to turn on some folks, but that's it.


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And don't get the idea that infantry is stupid. Maybe in the past, but not today.
Very true. The amount of training that infantry has to do is insane. The amount of training security forces has to do (military police) is insane.

People like to make fun of the intellect of infantry or military police, they shouldn't. Their jobs are far more serious than most. Maybe they didn't score high on the ASVAB on average but the military will still ensure they are far from stupid.

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Old 08-07-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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It depends what your job field is.

Infantry, special forces, calvary, military police etc have a much higher and more likely chance of "going house to house"

Any military member can find themselves in the front lines. But if for say an aircraft mechanic or supply or computer person finds themselves on the front line then most likely that means things have gone terribly wrong.

The single biggest factor is what your job is.

Your job determines what skills you practice and hone and what tasks you are used in.

I know plenty of quite smart people who deliberately sought out combat arms expecting to be in combat. They felt it was noble and wanted to do their part and make a difference.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Northern panhandle WV
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It is different from when the Draft was going on, Then people were either drafted or they enlisted because they wanted to defend our freedoms.

It seems now a days that the main reason people join the military is to get educational benefits or think service will look good on their resume.

When my husband joined it was the tail end of the Vietnam war and he had perfect scores on his ASVAB tests. So he was allowed to choose any training that they had available at that time. He joined the airforce by the way.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:50 PM
 
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Considering the Army allows high school dropout GED holders to enlist, one would have to be pretty brainless not to meet the minimal score of an Army ASVAB.

The test has to be easy, because all the other qualifications make it hard for people to enlist to begin with. Tattoos, criminal record, drug use, weight or obesity, medical history, credit history, etc. is an automatic disqualification. Hell the Air Force was kicking people out during basic freaking training because of tattoos.

Only 1% of the country qualifies to serve their country. And only 1% of that 1% is even interested in serving their country. So the ASVAB is rarely the disqualifying factor here (GED holders can pass it), it's usually all the other stuff.



Not true, as long as you have the brains to score high on your ASVAB and choose the right branch which allows a greater selection of jobs, your chance of fighting in actual combat are very low. And just because you deploy doesn't mean you'll be kicking down doors. Many people who deploy are in supporting roles "behind the wire." Behind the wire could face some occasional shelling or a rogue local who decides to turn on some folks, but that's it.
Well they haven't drafted since Vietnam, so I wouldn't call the volunteer service and its decidedly picky entrance requirements a failure for addressing staffing needs.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:20 PM
 
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I’m not overly familiar with how it is determined. But say it’s the Iraq war and marines are having to go house by house looking for someone. They are in the frontlines of battle. I’ve heard rumors that every service person is given a test to look at intelligence and other things. If you score low on the test it could put you in the frontlines. If you score high (as in higher IQ) you would probably avoid the frontline and maybe be put in a support or troubleshooting role. Is this accurate? Again I have little experience in this but am looking to see if this is correct.
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It's determined solely by your job function and needs at each moment. If you're infantry you know your primary duty is going to be front line whereas if you're an Avionic Technician, odds are you wont be going house to house. But, when things happen, they happen and everyone in the military (a few exceptions for the lilies) can find themselves on some front line be it in the field or close in defense.

Now to clarify one item being mentioned; although you test and your test scores determines what jobs you are qualified to perform, that doesn't mean if you score high you can't be in a front line battle position. Low scores may keep you from selecting certain jobs that require higher aptitude scores since the higher you score, the more jobs that are open to you. BUT, a high score will not prevent you from selecting a job that is available with a lower score.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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It's determined solely by your job function and needs at each moment. If you're infantry you know your primary duty is going to be front line whereas if you're an Avionic Technician, odds are you wont be going house to house. But, when things happen, they happen and everyone in the military (a few exceptions for the lilies) can find themselves on some front line be it in the field or close in defense.

Now to clarify one item being mentioned; although you test and your test scores determines what jobs you are qualified to perform, that doesn't mean if you score high you can't be in a front line battle position. Low scores may keep you from selecting certain jobs that require higher aptitude scores since the higher you score, the more jobs that are open to you. BUT, a high score will not prevent you from selecting a job that is available with a lower score.
I think what would concern us is if despite a high score, having a lower job selected for you.

Is THAT possible?
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:53 PM
 
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I think what would concern us is if despite a high score, having a lower job selected for you.

Is THAT possible?
I would think so. As its been mentioned I think if you have any intention of joining the military then you better face facts that you could be in the front line in battle. Anything is possible....
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:02 PM
 
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I would think so. As its been mentioned I think if you have any intention of joining the military then you better face facts that you could be in the front line in battle. Anything is possible....
Well, theoretically, but not usually.

An Air Force flightline mechanic isn't going to be on the front lines (which isn't at all the same thing as being vulneralble to an occasional SCUD or mortar round).

An Air Force truck driver, though, might be loaned to the Army and find himself dodging roadside IEDs. I don't even think a Marine aviation mechanic is likely to wind up carrying a rifle and patrolling a town.

The more specialized the job and its training, the less likely the military is going to waste it.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:49 PM
 
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By late 1944 it was clear that General Marshall underestimated the number of infantry replacements that were needed in Europe by the US Army. So many support troops from the Army and Army Air Forces along with the soldiers in a deferred education programs were sent to the infantry regiments as replacements. Many had never fired the Army standard M1 rifle having gone through training with older bolt action rifles. With a conscripted service there was never any thought that some men were too good for the front when the need for manpower came. The story we got in training was about a Soviet Army band being the last reserve during a battle at Stalingrad and being deployed as infantry.

Come to the current day volunteer force situation and those volunteering on 9/12 were not going to get training for post military civilian careers, and infantry was not their last resort one step ahead of a judge giving some other sentence. Given the choice for kicking doors would always be the so -called Tier One units but there are few of them, then the limited number of Rangers and other SEAL Teams followed by Marine and Army infantry units. But around 2005 or so the US were still running out of available infantry units so dismounted artillerymen, ADA crews, combat engineers and tank crewmen found themselves kicking doors. But I never heard of someone being reassigned to an infantry unit as would have happened during WWII or the Korean War.

However, the enemy found the softer target of truck convoys supplying allied strongpoints and many support units found themselves as primary targets just as enemy support units were our primary target to make shock and awe work..
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:09 PM
 
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I think what would concern us is if despite a high score, having a lower job selected for you.

Is THAT possible?
The days of the military just assigning people to jobs is long gone. Now you have the opportunity to select a specific job, a specific area or a general area. Although you can be assigned anything, regardless of your scores, it's counter to how today's military functions as an all volunteer service.

From my understanding of the current practice, the less specific you are in your job selection, the greater the chances of being assigned something you don't want.
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