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Old 09-08-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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Actually, this is NOT true.

Basically, all that is required is that one receive some sort of injury that requires medical attention as a direct result of enemy hostilities. One could be standing in the chow line when an enemy mortar goes off and sends a fragment into your butt, a medic removes it and, presto, you win a PH. An 'act of heroism' is in no way a condition of receiving the PH.

Ironic that you would make such a statement in a thread about lying about the PH, but I chalk it up to ignorance rather than intentional deceit.
When I was in VN, we were told to clean up the LZ because the 'donut dollies' were coming out to pay us a visit. We policed up the area and threw the garbage into a fire pit. Someone threw in a can of C-rations and it exploded. It hit one of the guys in the platoon in the chest. He was bare chested and didn't realize that he was bleeding until I saw him and said "Holy ****, look at that hole in hour chest!" When he looked down and saw the wound, he fainted." He was awarded a Purple Heart. The citation said that the fire pit was booby trapped by the VC and that's why he was awarded the medal.

Another guy told me that he was awarded a Purple Heart when he closed the hatch of his APC on his fingers. Because they were being fired on by a sniper it was combat related.
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Old 09-08-2018, 11:05 AM
 
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one thing for sure....anyone KIA is absolutely entitled to the purple heart.
This wasn't always the case. If you were KIA as of a result of friendly fire before 1985 and you did not receive a Purple Heart.

I had a friend (Lt. Glenn Zamorski) that was a Marine helicopter pilot. On a rescue mission, his helicopter was hit by an artillery shell. He was killed but his co-pilot survived. The co-pilot and other members of his unit petitioned to have the requirements changed.

After years of testimony and petitions the requirements for being KIA by friendly fire were changed. I attended the awards ceremony in 2015.

Here is a link to the story.

https://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2...ine_50_ye.html
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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This wasn't always the case. If you were KIA as of a result of friendly fire before 1985 and you did not receive a Purple Heart.

I had a friend (Lt. Glenn Zamorski) that was a Marine helicopter pilot. On a rescue mission, his helicopter was hit by an artillery shell. He was killed but his co-pilot survived. The co-pilot and other members of his unit petitioned to have the requirements changed.

After years of testimony and petitions the requirements for being KIA by friendly fire were changed. I attended the awards ceremony in 2015.

Here is a link to the story.

https://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2...ine_50_ye.html
I was unaware of the friendly fire caveat. Of course I believe that if you are in a combat zone and KIA or WIA,you are entitled to the Purple heart.To me it was ridiculous to differentiate between friendly fire and hostile. Both are very adverse to your health.
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Old 09-13-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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Wow. Plenty of combat veterans relate true accounts of their experiences--assuming anyone talking, even reverently, about a combat experience is a liar is an insult I hope you avoid by not rolling your eyes and saying "uh huh".

Your "tooth to tail" comment is inaccurate. I cannot believe you are unaware or skeptical of the thousands of support troops who moved supplies and provided services through hails of SAF, RPG, and IEDs--including fighting through contact, engaging enemy troops, and all terrible things one must do in combat, like rendering aid to a dying buddy.

There are always going to be fakers, liars, and braggarts. Always some goat roper sitting at the bar regaling an audience with his battle stories--but they are far outnumbered by real and truthful veterans. Assuming everyone telling a combat story is a liar is no different that assuming someone sitting quietly is somehow authentic by omission--neither is universally indicative of truth.

LOL. A few years ago, I was seated at a dinner beside an older dude because the host knew we were both veterans. Dude told me a few of his exploits in Viet Nam--I was intrigued by his stories, but based on my own experiences, knew that fantastic and unusual are liberally laced into the sights and sounds of combat. Looked his name up when I went home. One bad-ass retired Sergeant Major.
I mean no offense, all those that serve in the military should be honored.
The tooth to tail ratio in WW1 for the army was like 1:1, now I think it's along the line of 1:11. That is not "innacurate".
Fair enough however, today's combat is not linear. The face of combat has changed dramatically from what you see in a typical war movie, and support soldiers in a combat zone, although not in a combat role, are subject to IED's and ambushes from an enemy they may never see.
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Old 09-13-2018, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Boston
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I'm not sure it really matters anymore. Connecticut elected a Senator (Blumenthal) who claimed he served in VietNam and never stepped foot in the country.
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Old 09-13-2018, 12:24 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I'm not sure it really matters anymore. Connecticut elected a Senator (Blumenthal) who claimed he served in VietNam and never stepped foot in the country.
It does matter. However, You are off topic. Mr. Blumenthal, now running for the United States Senate, never served in Vietnam. That has nothing to do about the subject at hand "Lie about Army Purple Heart"

Reference: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/n...lumenthal.html
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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It does matter. However, You are off topic. Mr. Blumenthal, now running for the United States Senate, never served in Vietnam. That has nothing to do about the subject at hand "Lie about Army Purple Heart"

Reference: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/n...lumenthal.html
Lying about service to the country certainly is on topic. Be it lying about receiving a Purple Heart or lying about serving in Viet Nam.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:56 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Lying about service to the country certainly is on topic. Be it lying about receiving a Purple Heart or lying about serving in Viet Nam.
The title to this thread is "Lie about Army Purple Heart"

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Enough said...
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:08 PM
 
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Enough! Politics belong elsewhere on C-D. Please stay on-topic.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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I mean no offense, all those that serve in the military should be honored.
The tooth to tail ratio in WW1 for the army was like 1:1, now I think it's along the line of 1:11. That is not "innacurate".
Fair enough however, today's combat is not linear. The face of combat has changed dramatically from what you see in a typical war movie, and support soldiers in a combat zone, although not in a combat role, are subject to IED's and ambushes from an enemy they may never see.
The tone of your reply is disingenuous. You are simply changing the context of your remark to make it appear accurate in your response. I'm not sure what the quoted misspelling of "innacurate" means in your post, as it was spelled and used properly in my post. Now, take a look at your statement in the context it was made:

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Even those you know that are in the military, the "tooth to tail" support ratio being what it is, its very unlikely they heard a shot fired in anger in the entire military career.
This is an unqualified, fallacious conclusion that supports your attitude about anyone speaking about a combat experience--absolutely your personal belief and your right to state it--but that ratio dreck as a substantive defense of your belief? Nope. Not even close.
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