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US army has not had standard issue subgun for a long time. Why they all of sudden choose otherwise? And what purpose does a subgun serve that the M4 carbine cannot do?
On top of that what is the purpose of a 9mm calibre gun that is bigger than a 9mm pistol? Why not use a bigger calibre for a bigger gun? Like a 10mm or the 762x25 like the Soviets did. 10mm seems more appropriate than 9mm. 10mm is more powerful. But a subgun will have should butt, and can hold with two hands, so recoil should not be an issue.
A nice little cookie thrown to some gun maker with pentagon contacts. You are correct. ALL standard use military rifles nowadays are capable of full-auto. ergo a sub-machine gun.
I could see it used for vehicle crews in a pinch. I used a short barreled SAW with the old para stock - was shorter that my M4.
While I was in we were just turning in the M3 grease guns for the slightly longer M4. If this new weapon was for vehicle crews they seem to have reversed direction. The undercover, or not as noticeably armed bodyguard role like when the Secret Service pulled out MiniUzis when President Reagan was attacked seems to be the specialized role.
Even if this is for vehicle crews why, not at least give them a larger calibre than the one in the pistol. If they are already carrying a pistol with that same round, what is point of having a slightly larger gun with the same calibre?
I always thought subguns with 9mm are silly when there exists larger more powerful pistol calibres. A larger gun should get larger calibre plus the recoil.
Will this guy be adopted by air crews too? They also have tight spaces.
Even if this is for vehicle crews why, not at least give them a larger calibre than the one in the pistol. If they are already carrying a pistol with that same round, what is point of having a slightly larger gun with the same calibre?
I always thought subguns with 9mm are silly when there exists larger more powerful pistol calibres. A larger gun should get larger calibre plus the recoil.
Will this guy be adopted by air crews too? They also have tight spaces.
Highly unlikely. The last thing we need is someone emptying a 30 round mag inside an aircraft. I have over 5000 hours as a C-130 loadmaster, including time in Bosnia and Afghanistan. If we went into a high-risk area we would take Ravens or some other protection force with us. Our primary mission was to land the aircraft download/upload and get the hell out, not engage in a firefight.
Even if this is for vehicle crews why, not at least give them a larger calibre than the one in the pistol. If they are already carrying a pistol with that same round, what is point of having a slightly larger gun with the same calibre?
I always thought subguns with 9mm are silly when there exists larger more powerful pistol calibres. A larger gun should get larger calibre plus the recoil.
Will this guy be adopted by air crews too? They also have tight spaces.
Name some "more powerful pistol calibres" used by the U.S. Military.
How many rounds have you carried? The M-60 Machine Gun carried the same round as the M-14 Rifle...
Name some "more powerful pistol calibres" used by the U.S. Military.
How many rounds have you carried? The M-60 Machine Gun carried the same round as the M-14 Rifle...
^^^^^This. Logistics. The 9MM round is already supplied to U.S. and NATO troops. A small, light, select fire subgun may eventually replace the pistol as a sidearm. That was the intent of the M1 Carbine, but even that was too large. Although I love my little USGI Inland M1 Carbine, I can not carry it conveniently like a pistol.
Note that these aren't intended for front line troops - but for support troops and some security details. So the need is there for:
-small defensive weapon, logistically easy to manage in tight spaces
-more firepower and much more accurate than a standard handgun (using stock)
-handgun caliber, 9mm to be consistent with NATO (you can even interchange magazines in some cases)
-handgun caliber results in reduced recoil and thus easier handling for these support troops
-handgun caliber likewise results in reduced penetration thus minimizing the possibility of friendly casualties
It's also good for us in the civilian marketplace (in SBR form or as a pistol) as it brings more options, lower cost, more accessories. It's amazing how fun my Scorpion is to take out on the range.
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