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Old Today, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Quincy, MA
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There are standards for a reason. Can't stand the entitled mentality.
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Old Today, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Is it?

You have an organization where people may have to go off to fight and some of them aren't coming back, so instilling their spirit, their morale is rather a vital piece of it. One is not going to be effective at doing that if they have people in the organization who are reaping the rewards while not taking the risks.

If there is anyone in the military who I cannot put a gun in their hands, that I cannot send them into the fight, then they are useless to me.

FACE IT, IT IS ABOUT FIGHTING.
I have no problem with recognizing the military for what it is and appreciate it for that but not everyone in the military fights. It is also a fact that though there are people who can never be any use in combat they still have useful skills and knowledge. Why tie up combat trained personnel for those purposes? I’m not recommending combat soldiers be pulled out of the field to be replaced with geezers just to get them participation trophies.
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Old Today, 02:44 PM
 
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I have no problem with recognizing the military for what it is and appreciate it for that but not everyone in the military fights. It is also a fact that though there are people who can never be any use in combat they still have useful skills and knowledge. Why tie up combat trained personnel for those purposes? Iím not recommending combat soldiers be pulled out of the field to be replaced with geezers just to get them participation trophies.
As has already been explained:

1. Why tie up all the non-field jobs with old geezers when combat troops need a break from combat now and then? You think combat soldiers don't need time at a desk?

2. Even the military desk jobs are harder than you think.

3. The DoD already uses government civilians and outsourced civilians for the soft jobs.
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Old Today, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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... Everyone who comes in should be fully deployable, anyone who does not become while in should be evaluated as to if they can contribute and continue to serve or not.
I agree.

As an 18-year-old it took 2 years of Navy schools to get me fully deployable in my chosen career field. Maintaining that level of proficiency required a lot of training every year. By the time I got to be 30-years-old I was often the oldest man on a given boat. At 40-years-old it was hard keeping up with the 18-year-olds.

Part of it is physical, also part of is mental. Staying 'in-the-game' is hard too. I became disenfranchised with much of the stuff that our government does. My security clearances did not help in that regard. Because of my seniority, I was exposed to many things that our government does that are at cross purposes to our mission and intent.

Serving is a young mans arena. It is not appropriate for old men.
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Old Today, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa?
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The "soft" jobs should only be filled by status.

1. Military members who need a break from front line duty.
2. Military members who can no longer serve on the front lines due to injuries from that duty.
3. Veterans who can do the work and can no longer be active military.
4 Civilians.

All need to be qualified to do the job. If you are one of the above, holding one of these jobs, then you are subject to being bumped out of it by a qualified individual from a person from a higher level . ie: 1>2>3>4. Sorry, but if you are a civilian, and there are equally or more qualified people from 1,2 or 3, you may get laid off.

That's how it should work, IMHO.
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Old Today, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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As has already been explained:

3. The DoD already uses government civilians and outsourced civilians for the soft jobs.
Yeah, good point. I wasnít even thinking about all the contractors that get used. Pretty much the same end result I guess.
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Old Today, 05:17 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I have no problem with recognizing the military for what it is and appreciate it for that but not everyone in the military fights. It is also a fact that though there are people who can never be any use in combat they still have useful skills and knowledge. Why tie up combat trained personnel for those purposes? Iím not recommending combat soldiers be pulled out of the field to be replaced with geezers just to get them participation trophies.
If you are unable to deploy to combat the current DOD policy is that you are kicked out of the military within 12 months.

Non-combatants are civilian employees, not uniform wearing members.
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