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Old 11-06-2018, 12:06 PM
 
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And he probably has his "good ole' boys" buddies at the VA assign him 100% disability for the rest of his life.....smh
And have his other "good ole' boys" line up a civil service job for him.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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And have his other "good ole' boys" line up a civil service job for him.
Most flags do not go to civil service unless it's an SES position. Flags are too valuable for that type of nonsense. They go to lucrative consulting gigs where their connections are worth a mint to defense contractors.

Once you see how sausage is truly made in Washington it will make you sick.


And I'm sure this guy will get full disability and the white glove treatment to make sure he is taken care of the rest of his life at the tax payers expense. Flags circle the wagons and protect other flags.
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Old 11-06-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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Officer promotions are permanent; there is no reduction in rank from Second Lieutenant through Major General.

there was one general that got busted to col. just a couple years ago
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Old 11-06-2018, 09:22 PM
 
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there was one general that got busted to col. just a couple years ago
When I was stationed in Germany in the early 90's there was a 2 star who got busted to 0-6 pending court martial.

I have a pic of me getting a medal from him when he was still a 2 star
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Old 11-06-2018, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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He served 28 years, his last rank held will be 07 - with a base pay of ~155K, at 28 years he will get 70% of his base pay. That's about $108K and that doesn't include any disability he may qualify for.

By no mean am I defending his actions, just stating a fact.
That’s only half his paycheck, the other half will likely come from a civilian senior executive position also earning well over 6 figures. Probably from a place of his choosing with the massive network of retired veterans and government worker friends you earn in the span of 28 years of service.

There becomes a point where if you make a certain rank in the military, i.e. general, you’re just going to get a slap on the risk.

One of the few times I saw a senior officer get punished was the O6 Colonel who pled guilty to child porn. They gave him 12 months jail, dishonorable discharge, and obviously took away all retirement/VA benefits.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/...139213513.html

The fat Leonard case is also interesting, looking at the various punishments those senior Navy offficlas received
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Leonard Glenn Francis, a Malaysian defense contractor, has pleaded guilty to bribing “scores” of Navy officials with cash, prostitutes and other gifts — such as hotel stays, airfare and electronics — so that they would feed him classified or inside information, which he used to defraud the Navy. The slowly unfolding investigation has exposed a staggering degree of corruption within the 7th Fleet.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...?noredirect=on

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Old 11-06-2018, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Officer promotions are permanent; there is no reduction in rank from Second Lieutenant through Major General.
Wrong. Officers can be demoted, the difference is their demotion will almost always come with a forced separation or forced retirement.

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WASHINGTON — An Army major general has been stripped of his stars and forced out of the military after a 30-year military career because of a long extramarital affair and "swinger" lifestyle.

An Army spokesman says Maj. Gen. David Haight was demoted by three steps to the rank of lieutenant colonel, a steep and rare downgrade for a senior officer.

The demotion will cost him more than $40,000 in annual retirement pay, based on pay scales for a lieutenant colonel and a two-star general with 30 years in the Army. And it slams the door on what was once a promising career.
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...-after-affair/
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Old 11-06-2018, 11:19 PM
 
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What it means when they say Officer's ranks are permanent is that their superiors cannot take their rank when found guilty of misconduct like they can when enlisted. Officers lose rank through a board process that is convened if it is decided that an Officer must show cause for retention in the service. An 05 can take an enlisted rank through NJP.
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Old 11-06-2018, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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What it means when they say Officer's ranks are permanent is that their superiors cannot take their rank when found guilty of misconduct like they can when enlisted.
Officers can still lose rank, thereís nothing permanent about it. How itís done is besides the point.

The officer above will have his demoted rank on his retired military ID card forever.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
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Wrong. Officers can be demoted, the difference is their demotion will almost always come with a forced separation or forced retirement.


https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...-after-affair/

Fair enough, and I did not do a good job of clarifying: You will not see an officer who is reduced in grade be retained. A punitive reduction of an officer will always accompany a discharge. What I learned from this is that not all of those discharges come with a complete loss of benefits, as in the case of the officer in the story you linked. The mechanism for reducing officers, the afore mentioned "dismissal" is, in cases of officer misconduct resulting in punitive measures on this level, more common. I can't help but wonder if the officer in the story, due to his seniority and length of service, was given some concessions a less senior officer would not have received. There may have been some legal arrangements agreed upon as well that spared him a complete loss of retirement benefits.


Furthermore, and more direct to the subject of this thread, is you won't see reductions in grade for officers who are allowed to separate in lieu of punitive action. Based on the story that is more or less what Gen. Tibbets has been allowed to do and may explain to those members confused about it why there was no reduction in grade here.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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Officers can only be kicked out or lose rank if the the secretary of the service approves it. It is very hard which is why you always see forced retirements rather than the service spending the time and money dealing with trying to take rank.

There's also instances of Officers losing rank at a board of inquiry and the service secretary reversing the decision. Board decisions are strictly recommendations.
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