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Old 11-07-2018, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
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Officers can only be kicked out or lose rank if the the secretary of the service approves it. It is very hard which is why you always see forced retirements rather than the service spending the time and money dealing with trying to take rank.

There's also instances of Officers losing rank at a board of inquiry and the service secretary reversing the decision. Board decisions are strictly recommendations.
Very true. Another reason is the appellate leave process. All punitive discharges are reviewed by a military appeals court, a process that can take up to 2 years. A member, even though "discharged" in the sense they are no longer in a unit or receiving pay, is still counted against end strength. This is a drain on manpower because you cannot "replace" these but they are still taking up lines that count toward end strength. It's a dead weight loss and in the case of senior officers a huge tax when you consider DOPMA limitations.
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Old Today, 08:20 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Air Force fires general for sexually suggestive comments about women, failure to report suicide attempts
Posted: Nov 09, 2018 1:59 PM MST
Updated: Nov 09, 2018 1:59 PM MST
By Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY


From: Air Force fires general for sexually suggestive comments about w - CBS News 8 - San Diego, CA News Station - KFMB Channel 8

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WASHINGTON - The Air Force cashiered a rising star and grandson of a legendary World War II pilot for sexually suggestive comments he made in public, according to a recently released report.

Brig. Gen. Paul Tibbets IV, was fired as deputy commander of the Air Force Global Strike Command this fall. Tibbets had been scheduled for promotion to major general. Instead the Air Force Inspector General's findings forced his early retirement, scheduled for Dec. 1, for "conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.'

The inspector general also found that Tibbets had failed to report suicide attempts by airmen in his command and improperly used vehicles for rides to the airport.

Tibbets, through Air Force spokesmen, declined to comment for this story. Tibbets has been assigned to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

Tibbets, investigators found, had publicly humiliated an enlisted woman with whom he had regular contact. Investigators found Tibbets and the woman had a "relationship that was beyond what was customary for a 1-star General and a 1-stripe Airman."

The woman mentioned that Tibbets "sometimes put his arm around her and state(d) that he loved her." She added that she came to resent his attention.

The woman, whose name is redacted in the report, recalled that Tibbets asked her repeatedly why she had been demoted. She told him in confidence that she had lost rank because of an affair with a married man, a violation of military law.

At a farewell party for Tibbets at Royal Oaks Golf Course at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, Tibbets, who had been drinking, told others that the woman was "such a beautiful young lady,' adding, "If only she didn't sleep with married men.'

The woman told investigators she believed that Tibbets had not treated her with dignity and respect.

"I felt like all the other comments that he had made about me being a good airman and everything were just irrelevant because I felt like that comment that he made was how he truly felt," she told investigators.

In a separate incident, an Air Force captain and technical sergeant told investigators that Tibbets, in uniform and drinking at a Kansas City Chiefs football game on Nov. 6, 2016, had made a coarse reference to a woman's breasts and commented on how "beautiful' and "hot' she looked. Tibbets and other airmen from Whiteman Air Force Base had attended the game as part of the NFL's "Salute to Service."

One airman, whose name was redacted, told investigators that Tibbets was joking with others and was "not a huge football fan, so he doesn't watch the games really and then out of the blue, he basically started talking about (the woman whose name is redacted) and this other lady and how attractive they were."

Tibbets recalled having one or two drinks and talking to a woman. He may have said she was attractive, beautiful or hot, Tibbets told investigators. But he did not recall making a vulgar comment about her body, saying those aren't words he uses.

The inspector general found it likely that Tibbets had used "inappropriate and unacceptable comments" about the women and had "made a comment about breasts." The report substantiated that Tibbets had exhibited "conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman."

The report also found that Tibbets had failed to report to Air Force officials, as required by regulation, four suicide attempts that had occurred by airmen under his command in 2017 at Whiteman Air Force Base. An Air Force official told investigators that Tibbets had pressured an official, whose name is redacted, not to report suicide attempts because in Tibbets' opinion the attempts would not have succeeded.

One of the cases involved an airman who had been admitted to the hospital multiple times for taking pills and alcohol. Tibbets did not want the airman's attempt on Jan. 17, 2017, to be classified as a suicide attempt, challenging a medical diagnosis, according to the report. It was not reported as a suicide attempt.

"And we note (airman's name redacted) committed suicide on 26 Jun 2017," the inspector general's report found.

In the end, the investigating officer found Tibbets "derelict in the performance of his duties when he failed to report attempted suicides of Whiteman AFB personnel."

Finally, the inspector general found that Tibbets misused government transportation by taking unauthorized trips to Kansas City International Airport at least 27 times.

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