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Old 12-31-2018, 07:13 PM
 
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As if the Marines and navy do not?

The Marines have a specific mission that is explicitly tied to Naval operations. In these last couple of decades, that's been blurred a bit because of the US engaging in "forever wars," but the Marine mission and purpose is very different from the Army's.


If things go on in the current direction of how the Navy now operates (always off shore), the real question is whether the Marine Corps should continue.
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Old 12-31-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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The Marines have a specific mission that is explicitly tied to Naval operations. In these last couple of decades, that's been blurred a bit because of the US engaging in "forever wars," but the Marine mission and purpose is very different from the Army's.


If things go on in the current direction of how the Navy now operates (always off shore), the real question is whether the Marine Corps should continue.

That question was answered by Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal on February 23, 1945 when he stated..."The raising of the flag at Mt. Suribachi means a Marine Corps for the next 500 years." By my count we have another 426 years 1 month and 23 days before the future of the Marine Corps is open for discussion.
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Old 12-31-2018, 10:16 PM
 
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That question was answered by Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal on February 23, 1945 when he stated..."The raising of the flag at Mt. Suribachi means a Marine Corps for the next 500 years." By my count we have another 426 years 1 month and 23 days before the future of the Marine Corps is open for discussion.
The world and the way the US handles it have changed enormously since then. The Marines haven't stormed a beach since the Korean War, which was after Forrestal's time in office.
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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The world and the way the US handles it have changed enormously since then. The Marines haven't stormed a beach since the Korean War, which was after Forrestal's time in office.

There's more to warfare than storming beaches. Marine Expeditionary Units are positioned in potential hot spots and can be mobilized much faster than any army unit. And no one is going to replicate the coordination between the navy, Marine grunts and Marine aviation. The Marine Corps isn't going anywhere any time soon.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:04 AM
 
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There's more to warfare than storming beaches. Marine Expeditionary Units are positioned in potential hot spots and can be mobilized much faster than any army unit. And no one is going to replicate the coordination between the navy, Marine grunts and Marine aviation.
Sure you can. Anything done can be done.

I've been amazed at how joint operations are since the 90s compared to how disjointed they were in the 70s. We spent the decade of the 80s becoming joint (after the OPERATION EAGLE CLAW debacle), and it was very painful.

I remember an Army GLO major damn near busting a fistula in his head when the Air Force diverted from a CAS for a batallion to hunt for a downed pilot. And a Navy destroyer that nearly shot down a couple of Air Force planes coming off OPERATION EL DIABLO CANYON because the Navy aborts a mission for failed IFF and the Air Force doesn't. The 80s were painful.

but the difference in jointness now is astounding.

IMO, most of the traditional divisions are really a formality today.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The world and the way the US handles it have changed enormously since then. The Marines haven't stormed a beach since the Korean War, which was after Forrestal's time in office.



Hmmmmm, I remember having to ride an AAV in with the Marines in an exercise (it was a surprise to us all when the Captain said "Go"). Regardless of his reasons back in the 80s........


............................ we still build LSDs and AAVs.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Marines are just not large enough nor enough standards of deviation away from the Navy, to make it separate, though it gets talked about.

Marines are just a segment of the Navy, enough to make it a separate branch, but that is where it stops. There is a whole lot of intermingling between the Marines and Navy.
The Marines are a ground force like the Army. How can they deviate any further from the Navy? Also personnel wise, the Air Force is not significantly larger than the Marines. You can just as easily make air force part of Dept of Army, and they will intermingle.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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For R&R?
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The military also has those. But even military personnel enjoy a round of golf when off duty.
They should just go off base to a civilian establishment. If they dont want to spend money than just make a mini golf or a teeing range. A whole golf course takes a lot of space.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:21 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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The Marines are a ground force like the Army. How can they deviate any further from the Navy? Also personnel wise, the Air Force is not significantly larger than the Marines. You can just as easily make air force part of Dept of Army, and they will intermingle.
I don't know what you consider "significant" but the Navy and Air Force each have roughly 24% of total active duty members while the Marines are 14%, a bit more than 1/3 less than the of either of the other two.
https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Then why not just keep Air Force in same department as army?
Well even if you don't count the strategic bombing air forces over the Axis powers and the Japanese mainland after the two bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki all eyes were pointed to an entirely different focus than the Secretary of The Army was focused on.
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