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Old 01-01-2019, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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I recognize it...…….you used to watch me when I signed out on pass...……..

Yeah and I bet you were one of the trouble makers too.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:34 AM
 
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You know, I had no idea people lied about their military background until I had been in for several years.


The irony is I found out that it’s a very real and common thing when two marines accused me of stolen valor once. Once I verified I wasn’t lying about my background (via DD214 and photos that were undeniably accurate of what I was saying), it made for a very interesting conversation. They were completely apologetic over it, though.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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You know, I had no idea people lied about their military background until I had been in for several years.


The irony is I found out that it’s a very real and common thing when two marines accused me of stolen valor once. Once I verified I wasn’t lying about my background (via DD214 and photos that were undeniably accurate of what I was saying), it made for a very interesting conversation. They were completely apologetic over it, though.

Anything I tell others or post here can be verified by DD-214, NGB-22 or other military records. I've never had anyone question anything about my military career, but when you tell the truth it usually doesn't raise any eyebrows or suspicions.
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:51 AM
 
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Those who talk up their military experience remind me of the saying "Those who talk the most did the least." The true hero's, if anything downplay their virtuous actions. It's the braggarts that lie.
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Old 01-02-2019, 07:45 AM
 
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Yeah and I bet you were one of the trouble makers too.
of course...…...
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:45 PM
 
Location: State of Denial
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I had a boss years ago who was writing up his new resume (our company was going out of business and we were all polishing up our resumes). He stuck his head out of his door and yelled, "Hey, what's higher in he Army, Captain or Major?"


Sure 'nuff, when he gave me his resume to look over, he had added an enlistment in the army as a Major. I knew for a fact that his sole involvement with the military was one semester in college in ROTC, after which he had dropped out because "it was too hot to do that".


I asked him why he would put that on his resume and he said, "It'll make me look better".


Sigh.
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I occasionally wear a t-shirt that says "Old Army" on it, and always always wear a Tilley hat with my China Post 1 pin on it, but unless I'm doing something with the American Legion, I don't advertise being a veteran. Still, I have gotten the occasional raised eyebrow and mild challenge, but when I can rattle off my MOS in all its versions during my time (9666 to 36A to 35E), they tend to recognize I'm real.

As for fakes, I got one good not too long ago. He claimed to be Army Counterintelligence, but didn't know the first thing about it. All his info was British, from Ian Fleming's books. I asked him when he graduated, from which fort (not identifying Holabird or Huachuca), what Army Regulation(s) covered CI, and what his badge number was. Every answer was utterly bogus, and then he pulled the "it was all secret" baloney. At that point, I told him I'd been Army CI for 28 years, and could tell him flat out he was lying. Then I mentioned that posing as a federal agent (which Army CI special agents are) was a violation of 18 USC 912. Suddenly he had somewhere else to be.

He's probably still out there lying through his teeth. Probably found a fake badge by now, which would be a violation of 18 USC 701...
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I occasionally wear a t-shirt that says "Old Army" on it, and always always wear a Tilley hat with my China Post 1 pin on it, but unless I'm doing something with the American Legion, I don't advertise being a veteran. Still, I have gotten the occasional raised eyebrow and mild challenge, but when I can rattle off my MOS in all its versions during my time (9666 to 36A to 35E), they tend to recognize I'm real.

As for fakes, I got one good not too long ago. He claimed to be Army Counterintelligence, but didn't know the first thing about it. All his info was British, from Ian Fleming's books. I asked him when he graduated, from which fort (not identifying Holabird or Huachuca), what Army Regulation(s) covered CI, and what his badge number was. Every answer was utterly bogus, and then he pulled the "it was all secret" baloney. At that point, I told him I'd been Army CI for 28 years, and could tell him flat out he was lying. Then I mentioned that posing as a federal agent (which Army CI special agents are) was a violation of 18 USC 912. Suddenly he had somewhere else to be.

He's probably still out there lying through his teeth. Probably found a fake badge by now, which would be a violation of 18 USC 701...
Good for you to bring him down.

Things, however, can vary on interpretation, at least in that of visual appearance.

I have a lot of "Garryowen" memorabilia which I could wear at certain events under the custom that I have had relatives in that unit. Doesn't mean I was ever in that unit, of course, and personally, I don't think I would ever wear it unless I was the family representative to a viewing.

One of the things I had to train my sailors on was the different terms for the same place such as the "package store", "class 6 store", or what they knew it as in the liquor store. There was a term that I didn't teach them for something else, but sure enough, it came up on the phone one day when I heard from my dispatcher in the other office, "The Provost Marshal? I don't know what that is!".

That got me out of my office, "Oh, they want to talk to me!", and it went on from there.

A USN Security Officer is the equivalent .... but not the same...as a provost marshal, so often when I talk, I usually say what people would understand better.....even if I have to be wordy to throw in "the equivalent".

Finally, how did I get the job? I put down on my wish list for an intel/counterintel job in that region. I pictured that I would be an analyst in some office......or writing up lesson plans which I had been doing for O-5s for information security......

It didn't turn out that way but I did get my wish, at least in a matter of thinking. They gave me a Navy Police department and, as it was once said to me, "Security is counterintelligence, it is keeping your information yours.".

OF COURSE, I had a "nice, rosy", working relationship with NIS. (Wink to you Arkay66)
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:49 PM
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Location: Orange County, CA USA
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Interesting thread; I was a marine engineer on a U.S. Army tugboat in Thailand '68-'70, which makes me an official Nam vet, and stationed at the deep-water port of Sattahip. I stuck my Class A brass and the Vietnam service pin in my mesh moto riding jacket, and do get some comments on it. To be sure, I was not in any kind of war zone, no one was shooting at me, and I had a very liberal work cycle and a hooch in the vill with a live-in girlfriend, but it did not happen by accident. My best friend had been killed in combat in Tay Ninh right before I got drafted and I knew I did not want to hump an M-16 in the jungle, nor did I want to go to OCS, which my friend had done, and it was offered to me. The army offered me some training, pick from his list, and marine engineering was on that list. I'd always liked boats, so I picked that, but I had to sign up for an extra year in. I might go to Nam, but it would be on some kind of vessel. Luckily, I went to Thailand, and didn't let it all just happen to me. I took steps to get what I wanted, and got it. My first novel was based on my time there.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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...as it was once said to me, "Security is counterintelligence, it is keeping your information yours.".

OF COURSE, I had a "nice, rosy", working relationship with NIS. (Wink to you Arkay66)
I heard that saying a few times, too. Really riled me up. CI is NOT security, and security is NOT CI. They are related, but Security is far larger. Without Security, the other side gets into your own intelligence, requiring CI to track 'em down.

The Army has, for decades, utterly failed to have any military security specialists. It's a secondary duty for MPs and MI folk, and so it's not done near well enough. If Security is done right, CI doesn't have near as much work... OK, off my soapbox.

Working with NIS/NCIS was another of life's little experiences, wasn't it?

Ever notice how the fakers don't claim to be NCIS, even though it's got its own TV series and spinoffs? I guess it's just not near as sexy as being a fake SEAL...
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