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Old Yesterday, 12:10 PM
 
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I looked at the Korean War too and got this from the internet. I guess it's not accurate?

The U.S. listed about 1,350 Americans as prisoners of war or missing in action and roughly 1,200 Americans reported killed in action and body not recovered.
This site lists 7665 total
https://www.dpaa.mil/portals/85/Docu...l_20190222.pdf
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Old Yesterday, 12:33 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missin...ion#Korean_War

Korea War US MIAs repatriation


A lot more info at the above page...

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Korea War US MIAs repatriation 1954-2018

The US Department of Defense DPAA gives dates for the Korean War from June 27, 1950 to January 31, 1955.[61] Between June to October 1950, an estimated 700 civilian and US military POWs had been captured by the North Koreans. By August 1953 only 262 were still alive; one of the survivors was Private First Class Wayne A. "Johnnie" Johnson, who secretly documented the deaths of 496 military and civilian POWs. Johnson would later be awarded the Silver Star medal for valor in 1996.[62][63]

In August 1953, General James Van Fleet, who had led US and UN forces in Korea, estimated that "a large percentage" of those service members listed as missing in action were alive.[64] (Coincidentally, General Van Fleet's own son Captain James Alward Van Fleet Jr was MIA from a United States Air Force mission over North Korea April 4, 1952.)

The total number of Korean War MIAS/remains not recovered was 8,154.[65]

In 1954 during Operation Glory, the remains of 4,023 UN personnel were received from North Korea, of which 1,868 were Americans; of the recovered US remains, 848 could not be identified.[66][67] Between 1982 and 2016, 781 unknown remains were recovered from North Korea, South Korea, China, Japan, and Punchbowl Cemetery in Hawaii,[55] of which a total of 459 have been identified as of June 2018[68] 950 sets of remains were uncovered in South Korea; of 20 sets of remains 11 were identified.[69]

The U.S. Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (now the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency) and the equivalent South Korean command are actively involved in trying to locate and identify remains of both countries' personnel.[70] Remains of missing combatants from the Korean War are periodically recovered and identified in both North and South Korea.[71][72] It is thought that 13,000 South Korean and 2,000 U.S. combatants are buried in the Korean Demilitarized Zone alone and never found.[73] In the summer of 2018 President of South Korea hopes to recover the remains of Korean Soldiers from the DMZ[74] South Korea MIAs are believed to number 120,000.[75]
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Old Yesterday, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Just saw an article last week about a body being identified from Pearl Harbor.
We had funeral for my Great Uncle this past Summer KIA December 7th USS Oklahoma. ID'ed with DNA....

https://globegazette.com/news/local/...cb42730a1.html
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Old Yesterday, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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In that article they stated that nearly 72,500 are still unaccounted for after all these years.
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The Korean War has 7,846 still missing.
So?

MIAs are part and parcel of war.

Mortar and artillery rounds, along with gravity bombs, have a habit of disintegrating bodies, so I'm not sure exactly what you expect to find.

Granted, that's a small percentage of all casualties, but the fact remains that a 100% accounting is impossible for that reason.

The reality is nobody gave a damn about MIAs until the 1980s.

By then, it was too late.

Battlefields are fluid and control can change any number of times in any given time period.

Not every soldier receives the order to withdraw, and not every soldier was aware their unit, whether it was a platoon, company or battalion withdrew or moved to another location.

There's a book whose title I forgot, but it's a good read on the recent discovery of MIAs in Belgium from WWII, and it illustrates the crux of the matter.

To find MIAs, you have to know exactly where they were, or should have been, and you can't know that, unless you talk to unit members, and you can't talk to just anyone in the unit, you have to talk specifically with those who have direct knowledge and you can't talk to those who have direct knowledge if they're dead or they have forgotten.

In the book, they were able to interview surviving unit members who had direct knowledge, and more than that, took them to Belgium, where the landscape had changed very little. Those vets remembered exactly where they were standing during the fighting, and where the MIAs were on on a flank position. The company had moved out and never returned to that location for the duration of the war, until the surviving unit members came back.

That's how they found them.

The Army didn't really give a damn about MIAs, made little effort to find them, and only on rare occasions interviewed surviving unit members. And, even then, the Army only expended the effort due to a congressional inquiry, where families members had repeatedly gone to their congress-critters demanding a full accounting. Unfortunately, a lot of families simply accepted it and tried to move on, instead of pressing for answers.

The Army's policies are different now, but only because of the furor over MIAs in the 1980s. Even then, the Army didn't reach out to WWII or Korean veterans, because most of their effort was focused on Vietnam MIAs.

Nearly all WWII vets and many Korean vets are dead now, so the only possibility of finding MIAs rests with a chance discovery.

Because that's true, there'll never be anything even remotely close to a full accounting.

There's a better chance for Vietnam MIAs, but many will never be recovered.

In one instance, a sailor was observed being thrown off a river-dock during an explosion. They immediately searched the river for his body, but couldn't find it, and it's unlikely anyone ever will find it.

Other cases aren't so cut and dry. A POW, I believe his name was Captain Richard Bowers, was executed for repeated escape attempts. The general location of his grave-site is known, but it's still unlikely he'll be found any time soon.

It's important to keep looking for any number of reasons, not just to provide closure for the families, but also to gain a better understanding of battle dynamics, the battle itself, and learn how to reduce the number of MIAs in the future.
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Old Today, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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I think the Germans have been doing it a bit longer the the US (Caring for MIA's) but todays fetish for all things WW2 sees graves (known and unknown) pillaged sometime whole sale. Particularly in the former Soviet Union and it's vassal States. Also being seen in Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...ves_Commission

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...i-memorabilia/



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...java-indonesia
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Old Today, 10:14 PM
 
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We had funeral for my Great Uncle this past Summer KIA December 7th USS Oklahoma. ID'ed with DNA....

https://globegazette.com/news/local/...cb42730a1.html
Salute sailor. May he forever rest in peace.
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