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Old 03-02-2019, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Murrica
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I remember this as part of my retirement brief. It sounds like this guy earned the court martial, but curious why they didn’t just turn him over to the locals?
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:28 PM
 
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I remember this as part of my retirement brief. It sounds like this guy earned the court martial, but curious why they didnít just turn him over to the locals?
They were probably trying to protect him!
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Tijuana Exurbs
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They were probably trying to protect him!
This could be very true. Japanese prisons are no summer camp.

Their prisons may be a lot cleaner than ours, but the regimen of control is quite strict.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Murrica
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They were probably trying to protect him!
Sorry, I canít fathom any situation where he should be protected.
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Old 03-02-2019, 09:56 PM
 
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They were probably trying to protect him!
That was my first thought but that's before I knew the victim was a fellow serviceman's wife. Hmmmm
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Old 03-02-2019, 10:02 PM
 
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Sorry, I canít fathom any situation where he should be protected.
"Taking care of our own" "We'll punish him our way" and not turn a US national over to a foreign government. That was the thinking behind it (At least my theory) Ought he be protected? Well, no!
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Old 03-02-2019, 10:15 PM
 
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From my experience, if the crime occurred against another service member or dependent, who is not a citizen of the host country, the issue is turned over to the US, even if it happened off base. Of course probably not for all crimes or locations, but just speaking from my experience dealing with this.
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Old 03-03-2019, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I remember this as part of my retirement brief. It sounds like this guy earned the court martial, but curious why they didnít just turn him over to the locals?
As mentioned, the victim was a US citizen (spouse of a military member).
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Mexico City (at the moment)
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I bet a whole lot of retirees had no idea that under 10 U.S. Code ß 802. Art. 2 (a), any retiree who is receiving retirement pay is still subject to the UCMJ. You can be arrested by military authorities, go on trial in a military court, and sentenced under the UCMJ. The provision apply to any UCMJ violation the retiree commits even if it was off base, involved only a civilian and had no connection to the military.
It seems to be tied to being eligible for retirement pay. I retired from the military in 2006, but as a fed employee, I "sold" my military time back, to be rolled over into my federal service for time served credit, which also requires giving up the military pension. I guess peoplelike me who do that are off the hook.


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This is not new, so why a retiree wasn't aware, beats me!
I served active duty nearly 22 years, and went through TAPS on the way out. I do not believe this was ever brought up (I may have missed it). I didnt know until I read about this recently here on CD. Not that I would have been worried about it even if I did know. I'm not in the habit of commiting crimes.
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Mexico City (at the moment)
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This could be very true. Japanese prisons are no summer camp.

Their prisons may be a lot cleaner than ours, but the regimen of control is quite strict.
Yes.

I was deployed to Okinawa in 1991, we had two guys that killed a local man while robbing him and ended up in a local prison for life (and they deserved it).

Our unit had to bring food every 2 weeks for these two guys to the prison (MRE's of course) or they would not eat.
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