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Old 04-04-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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No. It's unneccessary, unproductive and stupid. There's plenty of opportunity to motivate and rate people on their performance without hazing.
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Old 04-04-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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Hazing on serves to show how stupid, mean and cruel humans can get to other people.
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Old 04-04-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Rathdrum, ID
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I saw a lot of hazing during my time in uniform.

First as a Sea Cadet while in high school. One summer [when I was 16]...
I've been working as an officer with the local Sea Cadet battalion the past year and did not know this is still an issue. Since our command contains both Leaguers and Cadets, the climate is ripe for hazing. I'll have to keep an eye out and will make sure it is mentioned during our annual mandatory training.

On active duty, rising from a seaman when I first reported aboard ship to a second class when I separated, I never experienced hazing directed toward me. I knew enough to not fall for looking at the sea bat trapped in the cardboard box on the helicopter flight deck.

Was the "crossing the line" ceremony considered hazing? Officer and enlisted pollywogs alike endured the same thing. Worst was crawling through the tubs of garbage and kissing the greased belly of the fattest shell-back onboard. It wasn't too awful, and I'll never have to go through it again, (as long as I don't lose my certificate).
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Old 04-04-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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My brother sadly boasts of some of the hazing tactics used in his years in the AF. I find it humiliation under the guise of "it toughens em up!".

The fact that they are military and paid by the taxpayers..it's sad that my funds indirectly pay a serviceman to taunt and assault his fellow comrade.
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Old 04-04-2019, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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We-ll.........


on one side of the coin, it brings unity to the group by picking on the weak to take them out. If you don't want to be hazed, be one of us, be strong, follow our values. Internally group wise, that is sort of good though the bad thing is that any self destructive pattern is not corrected and it is carried on generation after generation. The group may survive that "wrong gene" or it might eventually be destroyed by it.


And on the other side of the coin? They didn't realize how strong I was and it amazed them that not only could they not take me out but also the defenses that I had.


NOW, looking at things from the distance, looking at the Big Picture, might I have done better in the service, gone farther had I not been one to march to my own drummer? That's a plausibility but I think not for to be part of that group, thinking the way they did, I would not want to be that kind of person.


IMHO.
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Old 04-04-2019, 09:06 PM
 
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Most hazing I recall in the military was in the barracks and it was the other platoon members doing one thing or another to bring a poorly performing troop in line.

The whole suffered because of the one and it was to let the one know that they were tired of being on restriction because of a goof up.

But I didn't see much hazing or allow it. just my experience
Non-military background here. But from what it looks like as an outsider is that the group punishment is a way of taking the incentive away from sabotaging others. It doesn't matter who screws up. You all pay.

Hazing, to me, is distinct from revenge on a screw-up. Hazing happens no matter how well you do - like an entrance fee, paid with your well-being, to weed out those who may be flaky or deserters.

Revenge for screw-ups, is, well, exactly that. No other word but retribution for suffering from another man's misdeed.

It's not desirable to be on the receiving end of either, as with any punishment or paying of dues.
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Old 04-05-2019, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Obviously it's not just the military that does it, but do you think there really is any benefits to hazing?
Military dicipline is one thing, however initiation ceremonies and bullying are another, and the former is there to stop the latter taking place.
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Old 04-05-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: American southeast/South Africa
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Hazing is a horrible thing. Achieves no real purpose. If it did, you'd see civlians doing it. You never see high school kids, 20somethings, church groups, politics, sports groups ever ever hazing or having some type of social behavioral modification to toe the line. If they don't, then certainly the military (who are tax payers just like you, and me) shouldn't.
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Old 04-05-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Hazing is a horrible thing. Achieves no real purpose. If it did, you'd see civlians doing it. You never see high school kids, 20somethings, church groups, politics, sports groups ever ever hazing or having some type of social behavioral modification to toe the line. If they don't, then certainly the military (who are tax payers just like you, and me) shouldn't.
Do you know what you're talking about?

Fraternities, sororities, high school and college athletic teams practice hazing all the time.

Military units arguably have more rationale to practice hazing than any college fraternity could have.

But again, we haven't actually defined "hazing" yet in this topic.
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Old 04-05-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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Being required to drink from the "grog bowl" as the penalty for a Dining-In faux pas.

Hazing or not?
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