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Old 12-28-2020, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Thank you, I think so many people here are underestimating China. True we have the capabilities but so does China. This is not the atom bomb in WWII, nuclear missiles today are 50-100x more powerful and just one missile can take out millions of lives on both side. There is no winner with nuclear warfare.


Exactly - destroying a country that has nuclear weapons would just lead to mutually assured destruction.

Mutual assured destruction - Wikipedia
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Old 12-28-2020, 10:07 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Exactly - destroying a country that has nuclear weapons would just lead to mutually assured destruction.

Mutual assured destruction - Wikipedia
There's a lot of ignorant people here that think nuking a country today is the same as WWII. The nukes today are 100x more powerful. The radiation would render cities uninhabitable for more than hundreds of years.

Are we willing to take sacrifice hundreds of millions of our own people just to duke it out with China?

The US does not have a legitimate reason to go to war with China. We have done more atrocities globally than China has actually. There has not been any country since WWII that has invaded more countries unilaterally than the US has. We bombed and killed thousands if not millions of innocent civilians since WWII. China hasn't even invaded one country beyond its own continent. Who is more imperialistic?

The only reason the US needs to drum up warfare because we are losing the economic race so we must find another punching bag. I don't think it's that easy to take on China when virtually every country including ours depends on China. There's no victor in a war today between super powers. It's just another useless propaganda filled cold war.
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Old 12-28-2020, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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There's a lot of ignorant people here that think nuking a country today is the same as WWII. The nukes today are 100x more powerful. The radiation would render cities uninhabitable for more than hundreds of years.
Again, you have been watching too many bad movies.

Dictators like having military parades, with mobile missile launchers driving by in formation. Then all of those mobile launchers are parked in locations where everyone with satellite surveillance can verify where they are parked.

Those locations become targets. There is little 'strategic' value in targeting a city. Anyone who digs out a permanent launch silo can rest assured that those silos are all targeted.
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Old 12-28-2020, 11:25 AM
 
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Dictators like having military parades, with mobile missile launchers driving by in formation. Then all of those mobile launchers are parked in locations where everyone with satellite surveillance can verify where they are parked.

Having had the task of tracking mobile missile launchers in more than one actual military national emergency...no, it's not that easy. It's damned difficult.


But I do agree that strategic targeting of cities is not the primary effort.
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Old 12-28-2020, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Having had the task of tracking mobile missile launchers in more than one actual military national emergency...no, it's not that easy. It's damned difficult.


But I do agree that strategic targeting of cities is not the primary effort.
It was not your normal career? They had you doing this only during 'emergencies', that sounds very odd.

Targeting is happening all the time. 'packages' of targets are rotated every few days. Just to keep them distributed among mobile launch platforms.


With the exception of those who do this kind of work as a career, few people seem to understand the distinction between 'strategic' and 'tactical'.
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Old 12-28-2020, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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This thread delivers! We've gone from nukes, to Sam Kinison (RIP.)
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Old 12-28-2020, 02:24 PM
 
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It was not your normal career? They had you doing this only during 'emergencies', that sounds very odd.

Targeting is happening all the time. 'packages' of targets are rotated every few days. Just to keep them distributed among mobile launch platforms.


With the exception of those who do this kind of work as a career, few people seem to understand the distinction between 'strategic' and 'tactical'.

Targeting and target tracking are not the same thing. My "normal" career involved watching various nations depending on where I was stationed at the time, but monitoring somebody's strategic missile and strategic air forces was always in my portfolio wherever I was stationed.


I stress the point of "emergencies" because those were the times when they were actively doing their own genuine tactical mobility patterns, when they were out of garrison, away from normal training areas, and out into areas we'd never seen them before. When they weren't playing games, the task became very tough.
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Old 12-28-2020, 06:43 PM
 
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There's a lot of ignorant people here that think nuking a country today is the same as WWII. The nukes today are 100x more powerful. The radiation would render cities uninhabitable for more than hundreds of years.

Are we willing to take sacrifice hundreds of millions of our own people just to duke it out with China?

The US does not have a legitimate reason to go to war with China. We have done more atrocities globally than China has actually. There has not been any country since WWII that has invaded more countries unilaterally than the US has. We bombed and killed thousands if not millions of innocent civilians since WWII. China hasn't even invaded one country beyond its own continent. Who is more imperialistic?

The only reason the US needs to drum up warfare because we are losing the economic race so we must find another punching bag. I don't think it's that easy to take on China when virtually every country including ours depends on China. There's no victor in a war today between super powers. It's just another useless propaganda filled cold war.
Agree.

First, what goes around comes around.

Second, America could not even win "Vietnam War".

Third, don't forget in the 475 BC there was Sun Tzu who already knew The Art of War.

Wars are bad. People should not talk about or create wars. It's better to talk about peace.
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:14 PM
 
Location: NYC
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The saddest part about America Military and government today is how many generals, admirals, senior officials are actually on Chinese government payroll..

Trump & Russia is just a diversion, Chinese has been paying off many politicians and military personnel.
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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The saddest part about America Military and government today is how many generals, admirals, senior officials are actually on Chinese government payroll..

Trump & Russia is just a diversion, Chinese has been paying off many politicians and military personnel.
Source please.

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