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Old 09-15-2023, 06:27 PM
 
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I don't see where the educational programs on racial equity are turning people away, it's relatively minor.
It's not relatively minor when DEI programs are being driven into place nearly everywhere and backed by the federal government.

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The military is now one of the most diverse corporations in the US, what is the harm.
The harm is that DEI programs are devisive...and intended to be. Because the military is, indeed, already one of the most diverse corporations in the US, the question is: What is the need?

 
Old 09-15-2023, 09:11 PM
 
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People are wondering why recruiting is in the tank.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...st-us-mistakes

Nearly 70 years ago tens of thousands of men were sent to their grave fighting for what politicians had led them to be believe a righteous cause. They were told they were fighting to protect freedom and democracy. To save the world from evils of communism, to stand up to tyranny, to "insert whatever feel good line they could muster."

Now in present day the government is kissing up to that same government it tried to defeat. The same government it tried to convince everyone was a threat to the world. In the link there is a photo of Biden shaking hands in front of the Ho Chi Minh statute. How ironic. And they wonder why recruiting is in the tank. Why give your life for corporate interest and geopolitics determined by people who will never bear the consequences of their poor decisions.
 
Old 09-16-2023, 09:27 AM
 
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People are wondering why recruiting is in the tank.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...st-us-mistakes

Nearly 70 years ago tens of thousands of men were sent to their grave fighting for what politicians had led them to be believe a righteous cause. They were told they were fighting to protect freedom and democracy. To save the world from evils of communism, to stand up to tyranny, to "insert whatever feel good line they could muster."

Now in present day the government is kissing up to that same government it tried to defeat. The same government it tried to convince everyone was a threat to the world. In the link there is a photo of Biden shaking hands in front of the Ho Chi Minh statute. How ironic. And they wonder why recruiting is in the tank. Why give your life for corporate interest and geopolitics determined by people who will never bear the consequences of their poor decisions.
Recruiting is down, but not for the strange reasons you cite. Post after post here has described the role weight and physical health have reduced the recruiting pool. Than add in the fact couple's are having fewer kids. Finally, higher wages in the civilian jobs sector and personal cost benefit analysis showing there is substantial risk and inadequate reward for being in the Armed services play a role.These are the problems, not your political bias.
 
Old 09-16-2023, 10:35 AM
 
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Recruiting is down, but not for the strange reasons you cite. Post after post here has described the role weight and physical health have reduced the recruiting pool. Than add in the fact couple's are having fewer kids. Finally, higher wages in the civilian jobs sector and personal cost benefit analysis showing there is substantial risk and inadequate reward for being in the Armed services play a role.These are the problems, not your political bias.
This is complete nonsense. All you are doing is carrying water for the establishment. The recruiting problems are all mainly political.
 
Old 09-16-2023, 12:36 PM
 
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People are wondering why recruiting is in the tank.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...st-us-mistakes

Nearly 70 years ago tens of thousands of men were sent to their grave fighting for what politicians had led them to be believe a righteous cause. They were told they were fighting to protect freedom and democracy. To save the world from evils of communism, to stand up to tyranny, to "insert whatever feel good line they could muster."

Now in present day the government is kissing up to that same government it tried to defeat. The same government it tried to convince everyone was a threat to the world. In the link there is a photo of Biden shaking hands in front of the Ho Chi Minh statute. How ironic. And they wonder why recruiting is in the tank. Why give your life for corporate interest and geopolitics determined by people who will never bear the consequences of their poor decisions.
Seventy years ago, the Korean War was ending. The article you linked refers to Vietnam. We were out of Vietnam by March 1973.

We fought Germany and Japan in WWII and later became allies with these countries. Why can't the same thing happen with Vietnam?

There are economic and other reasons for the decline in recruitment. McDonalds is also having recruitment issues. Do you also think that is political?
 
Old 09-16-2023, 01:01 PM
 
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Seventy years ago, the Korean War was ending. The article you linked refers to Vietnam. We were out of Vietnam by March 1973.

We fought Germany and Japan in WWII and later became allies with these countries. Why can't the same thing happen with Vietnam?
We defeated the wartime governments in Germany and Japan and installed governments to our liking. The current Vietnam government is the government we claimed was intolerable.

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There are economic and other reasons for the decline in recruitment. McDonalds is also having recruitment issues. Do you also think that is political?
There are certainly economic and other reasons for the decline in recruitment, however there are two other factors that do give it a political slant:

1. A great proportion, at least half, of recruits have traditionally come from the South.

2. A great proportion of recruits have traditionally come from the families of people who have been active duty or who have come into contact with people who have been active duty, and were encouraged to enlist by those people.

Politics most certainly plays a role in those two factors. I have loved my lifelong association with the military, and I loved my 26 years on active duty. I still enjoy my continuing recognition as a veteran.

But how enthusiastically can I recommend it right now to a young person? I'm in contact with a lot of veterans, and in some recent straw polls in a couple of online veteran forums I'm in, no veterans were willing to encourage young people to enlist. None. Not one.

I'd have a lot of caveats for that young person. I wouldn't tell anyone to make it a first choice right now.
 
Old 09-16-2023, 02:15 PM
 
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Seventy years ago, the Korean War was ending. The article you linked refers to Vietnam. We were out of Vietnam by March 1973.

We fought Germany and Japan in WWII and later became allies with these countries. Why can't the same thing happen with Vietnam?

There are economic and other reasons for the decline in recruitment. McDonalds is also having recruitment issues. Do you also think that is political?
I will tell you that it is beginning to happen. US and Vietnam relations are becomming friendlier. The last three presidents have each made visits there. That means a lot to people. I took a trip from S Korea with a group of other S Koreans on a 5 night tour of DaNang Vietnam. As Americans my wife and I had to go through a separate line. After learning we needed to have a spare passport picture for their form and paying the additional $10 USD for each of us (wife and her mother both US citizens). Once inside DaNang I saw a vibrant city of a lot of people. Lots of them families on a single motor bike. Walking around through neighborhoods I kind of expected to see a uniformed officer but that was something I didn't see. I saw signs of our time there as well as the French before us. The Vietnamese people I came in contact with were very friendly and everyone looked healthy and happy. The streets were very clean though there were places where an unused or vacant building that was in need. But surprisingly there were a few highrise buildings but what is most spectacular is the beach. White sand and clean for as far as you can see.

The have economic relations with S Korea and it has been very good for both countries. I also know there are a number of former US military expats living there as well as others. The cost of living is low there and life is safer there as compared to the US these days.
 
Old 09-16-2023, 07:41 PM
 
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Recruiting is down, but not for the strange reasons you cite. Post after post here has described the role weight and physical health have reduced the recruiting pool. Than add in the fact couple's are having fewer kids. Finally, higher wages in the civilian jobs sector and personal cost benefit analysis showing there is substantial risk and inadequate reward for being in the Armed services play a role.These are the problems, not your political bias.
In what ways was that post biased. Is the U.S. not trying get buddy buddy with a government it once described as evil and sent thousands of people to their grave trying to stop it. Read your post again. Is that not a cost benefit analysis. Use to be putting one's life on the line to protect family and friends was worth it and something highly respected. Not so sure putting one's life on the line for a corporate bottom line, or for some inept politician geopolitical ambitions is worth it.
 
Old 09-16-2023, 07:51 PM
 
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Seventy years ago, the Korean War was ending. The article you linked refers to Vietnam. We were out of Vietnam by March 1973.

We fought Germany and Japan in WWII and later became allies with these countries. Why can't the same thing happen with Vietnam?

There are economic and other reasons for the decline in recruitment. McDonalds is also having recruitment issues. Do you also think that is political?
I'm not naïve. There are no such things as permanent friends or enemies in geopolitics, only interest. Right now, it's in the U.S. interest to be friendly with Vietnam. Just saying soldiers are feed a load lies. Instead of being explained the actual geopolitics of decision. FYI Germany and Japan are bad examples. Both were conquered. They didn't have a choice but to become friendly with the U.S. Literally disassembled their militaries up until recently. They aren’t allowed to have an independent foreign policy as history has shown. Vietnam is completely different. It defeated the U.S. Has no reason to depend on the U.S. economically (which is never a good idea anyway), nor does it need U.S. protection. As much as they don't trust China, they don't trust the U.S. either. The only solution for them is to play both sides.

Kids to today have greater access to information, and therefore counter viewpoints. I don't dispute overweight as an issue, but my point can't be dismissed as a factor.
 
Old 09-17-2023, 06:07 AM
 
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There are economic and other reasons for the decline in recruitment. McDonalds is also having recruitment issues. Do you also think that is political?


Lots of countries currently have recruitment problems at the moment especially in the West and in places with on-going unpopular wars such as Russia.

This recruitment issue is more prevalent in the US because the US has a higher percentage of the population serving in uniform when compared to many other countries.

Some countries have used the downturn to embrace change and to review defence strategies and policies, or have downsized to become leaner rather than lower standards, and it should be noted that modern armed forces are far very different in terms of specialisms and the use of technology, when compared to WW2 or even when compared to the Cold War.

Forces generators from more integrated reserves and new technology can also help lessen the effects of lower recruitment, as can the contracting out of certain services as well as tail to teeth initiatives.
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