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Old 03-14-2023, 10:22 AM
 
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"Ret Col Kurt Schlichter: “The US Military is no longer serious”"

IMO, someone who retired and was never promoted past grade O-6 has very little voice to be taken seriously.
I didn’t realize it took GO experience to understand that we are wasting resources on nonsense?
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Old 03-14-2023, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Boydton, VA
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Bookings is a biased joke. Unlike you, I actually met some of their researchers when they were doing a military project years ago. They push an agenda that their financial contributors tell them to. They pretend to be independent, but they most absolutely are not.

Who funds the Brookings Institute? Bill Gates, the country of Qatar, JP Morgan Chase, just to name a few.

I do have hope that people like you will wake up someday.

And the retired Colonel isn't biased ? Who funds the retired Colonel ?
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Old 03-14-2023, 03:03 PM
 
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And the retired Colonel isn't biased ? Who funds the retired Colonel ?
Everyone is biased. That’s why you have to read from many sources and make up your own mind.

Most people, especially liberals, only listen to their own echo chamber. Since legacy media, social media, and the fact checkers are almost completely dominated by the left, most people on the right are already accustomed to reading from many sources before making up their mind.

My post about Brookings, if memory serves, occurred because someone tried to imply that they were impartial. In my experience, they absolutely are not.
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Old 03-15-2023, 07:21 AM
 
Location: U.S.
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"Ret Col Kurt Schlichter: “The US Military is no longer serious”"

IMO, someone who retired and was never promoted past grade O-6 has very little voice to be taken seriously.
There are over 80 members of Congress that have served in the military and most, if any, did not rise to the rank of general/admiral. And yet you’re dismissing them as “little voices” and not to be taken seriously.

https://veterans.house.gov/resources...n-congress.htm

Thank you for your wisdom and perspective.
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Old 03-15-2023, 01:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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It's been my experience that someone who attacks the messenger and not the message is usually someone who cannot defend their position; when you cannot defend, you must attack...
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Old 03-15-2023, 04:49 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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He makes some very interesting points. When the top strategic threats are announced as white nationalism and climate change, how can anybody around the globe take the US military seriously?

There are serious adversaries out there, mainly China, who are rapidly modernizing their military and gobbling up resources and infrastructure around the globe.

But here we are ignoring them, and focusing on white nationalism and climate change.

Does anybody think for a second that China gives a damn about Chinese (Han) nationalists, who oppress the minorities in China? They’ve got people in concentration camps, yet to many Americans, white nationalists are worse than what the Chinese is doing?

Lastly, does anybody think China gives a damn about climate change? We are destroying our own economy and military to “save the planet”, while the Chinese are rapidly enlarging their economic and manufacturing base and polluting the planet at an increased level.

Again, the US military is not serious anymore, and that is why a lot of people who would be serving, or will serve, has just said no.

But we can turn this all around if we become serious again. Stop with the wokeness and the climate garbage, and get back to focusing on winning wars against actual adversaries like China and Iran, and stop worrying about a couple guys in Michigan who were goaded into admitting that they’d like to kidnap the Governor.

I seem to recall our own military telling us what a cakewalk Vietnam would be. I seem to recall glowing reports from our military 'leaders' telling us just how well the training of the Afghan military was going, the very same Afghan military that when it was time to fight for their own country turned tail and ran. So how can I take our own military seriously when they send out such misinformation?
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Old 05-25-2023, 06:17 PM
 
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I pretty much agree with WK91 that the U.S. military isn’t 100% focused on war fighting and winning today since IMHO, they attempting to reshape the military with a WOKE-ism value system. Again, IMHO, WOKE-ism and an effective fighting force do not mix, especially within the Combat Arms units of the Army and Marines, who’s primary mission is to fight and win in a land warfare scenario, which is often more up close and personal than air or sea warfare. Yes, fighter jets and bombers can be shot down and naval ships can be sunk, but house to house/urban street fighting or raiding an enemy defensive trench system is far more personal.

I also feel that the senior military leadership are too involved within the elected senior civilian leadership and are too willing to “go along with the program” to please them. If the senior military leadership gives an opinion on a well thought out operation’s plan and the civilian leadership refuses to follow their advice, they should resign, which would cause the civilian to truly think things all the way out before deciding solely on political views.

Yoski, I was with you and all the points you were making until your political biases “muddy the waters” of being factual and to the point.

I retired back in 2010 from the Army Reserves, 13 yrs Active and 17 yrs Reserve, with two combat tours in Iraq. Granted, I don’t have my finger on the pulse of today’s Army, but I still maintain close contacts with my local military community. What I have noticed from others, to including myself, “I” use to do my best to encourage individuals within my family and others about serving in the U.S. military, but lately, I’ve noticed that I haven’t been “selling” the ideal of serving for over a year now.

I blame this on the way that the Armed Forces of the United States departed Afghanistan.

Honestly, I’ve been pushing careers within civil service at the federal and local levels as a positive career choice.

The Army is always in a state of change. I enlisted back in 1980 and still remember family members who served in WW2, the Korea war and in Vietnam talking about “how much the Army has changed.” Now, I’m saying the same things. Honestly, the Army, as with all the other branches, are always in a constant state of change, which is to be expected due by the nature of their core mission(s). Most of the changes have been positive, but quite a few were less than positive, IMHO and no, I have no hard data to back that up.

After leaving Active Duty, I went into federal law enforcement and retired as a GS-13. Afterwards, I was hired by a local police agency and served as a Lieutenant/Watch Commander, before retiring from them once I was vested within their benefits system. Several of our younger officers had recently left Active Duty and we spoke of their reasons why they left the military, as well as talking to individuals STILL on Active Duty, but planning to leave and seeking a career within law enforcement at our local job fairs. The common theme ways that “things” were changing in a direction that they didn’t agree with or it was no longer enjoyable and felt that there were too many traps that could destroy your career over some stupid BS of political correctness. So for the career Senior NCOs and Company Grade Officers, many were simply looking for a change.

Those late 20s to early 30s year old E-7s, O-2s and O-3s do bring a lot to numerous career fields in the civilian world. And now, they are greatly in demand.

If you are a young E-3 or E-4, in your second year of your three year enlistment AND you are seeing your E-7s, O-2s and O-3s leaving Active Duty, that sends a message that this might not be a good long term plan by staying in the military. AND!! The byproduct of our E-3s and E-4s seeing this causes them to tell family and friends, that military service isn’t was they thought it would be. That message to somebody in the age group of 17 to 20 is very powerful since those E-3s and E-4s have strong credibility within their age group that an average recruiter cannot compete against.

I feel that military service can be made attractive to 17-24 year olds again by removing the WOKE/PC messages from their recruitment materials and focus on showing, using the Army, in its real world missions. Biological young men like seeing M1 Tanks, M109 SP Artillery, Paratroops and Green Berets, so create the message around them and what it takes to be part of that team. Also, throw in the benefits package like the GI Bill for college and VA home loans.

Using the Army again, stay the hell away from that disaster of a commercial of “Emma has two moms!!” Nobody cares if Emma has two or four moms. This does not bring everything to the table, other than being turned into a running joke punch-in…. That cost millions of dollars. Also, stay away from cartoons…. Cartoons are for idiots. Use the images of a super squared away Tomb Guards or the Army Drill Team to sell the Army’s story.
I think a current threat to enlistment is that prospective soldiers are not eager to join a military that will not commit to winning wars they get involved with, and are more concerned with not angering pacifists at home so they withdraw with tails between their legs. So your take on Afghanistan is spot on and what this should be all about. Our withdrawal had a number of repercussions including showing the Saudis what they could expect from us honoring our alliance which is tied to their petroleum production and look how that worked out. Putin is in Ukraine because he knew we didnt have the stomach to intervene and Bidens war on fossil fuels caused his revenue stream to increase thus funding his aggression.

Democrats, Im talking about you here and anyone posting in this topic who voted for Biden and think his policies were good for national defense you just dont have clue number one about keeping this country safe.
Youll argue otherwise but youre wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

(USN 79-83, AQ3 aviation fire control tech crewleader and F-4 phantom plane captain VF-21 CV-43 if anyone cares)
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Old 05-25-2023, 06:42 PM
 
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I seem to recall our own military telling us what a cakewalk Vietnam would be. I seem to recall glowing reports from our military 'leaders' telling us just how well the training of the Afghan military was going, the very same Afghan military that when it was time to fight for their own country turned tail and ran. So how can I take our own military seriously when they send out such misinformation?
The problem with both those conflicts and your assessment is the military wasnt in control of their outcomes and the way they ended. Both were a cut and run conclusion.
The military took every hill they were ordered to in Vietnam.
The Afghan government naturally collapsed when they knew theTaliban would be given free rein to do as they pleased without the threats of punishment that Trump was quite clear about. Biden washed his hands of the situation almost as it he wanted it to fail. Almost as if... Ha. Its the democrat way that the US should never be allowed to declare victory after a war. Look at Iraq. Every stated objective was completed in short time and military historians called it the most successful campaign in modern military history.
Then the left came up with the absurd idea that we had to produce WMD to justify the war- as if Saddam would have just left it laying around to be found and provide evidence for his own guilt.
The media had a field day with all efforts to shame the US but curiously refused to report the literally thousands of military and civilian cargo trucks documented leaving Iraq for Syria in the weeks before the war began, with many Iraqi commanders describing how they loaded trucks and aircraft with UN proscribed materials.
So you speak of mistrusting the military but how are they getting their information to you? Through a corrupt media, 87% of whom vote democrat, that is indoctrined with the sick meme that America is evil and can only lose.
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Old 05-25-2023, 06:50 PM
 
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"Ret Col Kurt Schlichter: “The US Military is no longer serious”"

IMO, someone who retired and was never promoted past grade O-6 has very little voice to be taken seriously.
Anyone higher is a brass kisser/politician in grooming.
The Navy runs on chiefs, Im sure the other services have a similar saying. Theyre the ones with the finger on the pulse. Not the admirals who if they expect further advancement cover up and perpetuate the faults within their service.
Why would you expect those now or recently in top management to come out with criticism of the institution they command? Especially if it would mean their demise?
You couldnt have made a worse point if you tried.
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Old 05-28-2023, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Uh dude, why don't you dry those tears and learn something real. China has been investing heavy on renewable energy and if we can't get united, they will lead the world in it and we will end up buying their technology.

This is just one of many reports but you should have known this 20 years ago:

https://www.brookings.edu/research/w...nergy-finance/
Uh dude, why are you bringing up renewable energy. Worrying about renewals is not the job of the military. The article you posted is not anything to do with China's military going green so what was the point. Seems more like something for another forum.
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