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Old 07-08-2023, 02:34 PM
 
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The count for Vietnam is 27. Al Gore's father was a senator; Gore enlisted and served in a combat engineering brigade in Vietnam.
Okay.

Gore I knew about. And, of course, there's Teddy Roosevelt Jr, riding an amphib to Utah beach.
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Old 07-09-2023, 04:40 AM
 
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Feminization is part of the problem, but it’s not the only thing. You’ve got a splintered society, and half the country doesn’t like the other.

One side is where the majority of recruits come from, so when the opposition is in charge of the country, they want nothing to do with military service.

Look what has happened since Jan 2021:

1) CRT, wokeism, DIE, transgenderism in the military, has turned off a lot of people who would otherwise join up
2) Afghanistan surrender has turned off a lot of veterans, and they are advising their children not to join up
3) Ukraine war that could’ve easily been prevented, has made a lot of people lose faith in the direction we are going as a country.

So basically, you’ve got guys like me, relics from the past who are filling in the gaps. I don’t really care for where things are going, but I still like to do the job. It’s conflicting though.

Just imagine enjoying going to work everyday, but in the back of your mind, you keep wondering what the heck are they thinking in DC?
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Old 07-09-2023, 10:18 AM
 
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No, recruitment was a problem after 9/11 when Bush was president. Those are just excuses people might use today for not joining. Before they had other excuses. We are familiar with the number of tours people did because of recruitment problems in the Afghan and Iraq Wars.
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Old 07-09-2023, 07:06 PM
 
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No, recruitment was a problem after 9/11 when Bush was president. Those are just excuses people might use today for not joining. Before they had other excuses. We are familiar with the number of tours people did because of recruitment problems in the Afghan and Iraq Wars.
So you’re saying that military recruitment was challenging because of 9-11. Amazing. That’s not a question but a quote by you. Yep, we just couldn’t get kids to sign up in 2001 and 2002. Who knew.

https://www.uso.org/stories/2849-why...n-the-military
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Old 07-10-2023, 10:43 AM
 
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So you’re saying that military recruitment was challenging because of 9-11. Amazing. That’s not a question but a quote by you. Yep, we just couldn’t get kids to sign up in 2001 and 2002. Who knew.

https://www.uso.org/stories/2849-why...n-the-military
To be fair, I’m assuming he meant 2005. I believe recruiting was a struggle that year. Look, I’m going to be honest, Bush wasn’t all that popular with the troops. I seen him speak twice. Once, a couple months right after 9/11, and it was inspiring, but only because of what had just happened.

I seen him speak again in 2005, after he was re-elected, and everything he said just fell flat.

That’s why when Trump was critical of Bush in 2015, it resonated with a lot of the people who voted for Bush a decade ago.
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Old 08-09-2023, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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If a recruit today is "stressed" by a drill instructor he can pull out a "time out" card. Really? What if he gets into a firefight and is "stressed"? No timeout cards on a battlefield.
And, as far as politicians and kids of those who are connected:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV4Q-RSQCq0
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Old 08-09-2023, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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The question of women in the frontline combat roles has yet to be proven.

When platoons composed totally of women are shown to be as generally effective as platoons composed totally of men, you have an argument.
Maybe because it's a men world, and women are often restricted, not promoted and ridiculed?? Women get pushed into staff jobs, and many evaluations are biased against them.

Maybe you should read this:

http://www.military.com/veteran-jobs...-promoted.html

Russian women were remarkable soldiers during WWII. Upward of 800,000 would enlist in the Red Army during the war, with more than half of these serving in front-line units.
British forces included many women alongside men in vital anti-aircraft units. And Nazi Germany followed suit later in the conflict, when its flagging fortunes required the nation’s full mobilization.

https://www.history.com/news/women-w...at-front-lines

This also addressed many issues:
https://mwi.westpoint.edu/women-aren...lem-standards/

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Old 08-09-2023, 12:45 PM
 
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If a recruit today is "stressed" by a drill instructor he can pull out a "time out" card. Really?
No, not really. That was a myth. The Navy had some kind of "stress recognition" cards for a while, but there were never any "time out" cards in any service.
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Old 08-09-2023, 12:52 PM
 
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Maybe because it's a men world, and women are often restricted, not promoted and ridiculed?? Women get pushed into staff jobs, and many evaluations are biased against them.

Maybe you should read this:

http://www.military.com/veteran-jobs...-promoted.html
No.

The Army has data from the 80s of women operating in combat roles, including many competitive exercises in which women were placed in combat teams with men. The results have been absolutely consistent: Women do not perform as well in ground combat operations as men. Period. They have the data, it's not even a debate. Women fail in those positions when put to the test. It's like arguing that a WNBA team could succeed in the NBA.

That continues to be true in combat-adjacent fields as well, because they all involve a lot more donkey work than people think.

Even the small proportion of women who are strong enough for those jobs are betrayed by their biology. The testosterone of young men enable them to quickly heal from "microfractures" that occur during a normal day of combat operations. Women and older men, lacking those testosterone levels, wind up compiling those microfractures day after day, and fairly quickly wind up seriously and often permanently disabled.

Women wind up in staff jobs because that's where they can perform. But because the military exists for combat, combat service is a desirable promotion criterion for combat leadership.
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Old 08-09-2023, 12:58 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Maybe because it's a men world, and women are often restricted, not promoted and ridiculed?? Women get pushed into staff jobs, and many evaluations are biased against them.

Maybe you should read this:

http://www.military.com/veteran-jobs...-promoted.html
Where to start. First task and purpose is left leaning on all issues. Then the military.com uses an article that refers to civilian studies and applies it directly to the military. Ignore the quotas and the external selection board processes. It’s apples and oranges. Military don’t advocate to their bosses to get on the spot promotions; doesn’t work that way in the military.

There are more holes in the study in trying to try applying to the military than the Iraqi navy. Let’s hear why you agree with the study you linked. Can you identify the value in the article and describe any facts?
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