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Old 11-21-2023, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I haven't read any posts, so this has probably been said, but there is a BIG difference between fighting for one's country (or fighting to protect one's country) and fighting for someone else's country.

I think any thinking person would think twice before signing up for the military today unless they didn't know what else to do with their lives and want to acquire some job skills and future benefits (such as a VA loan to buy a house with no down payment or financial help with college). However, for myself, such things were not worth risking my life for a cause I didn't believe in, although i would consider something like the National Guard or the Coast Guard.
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Old 11-23-2023, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I was stationed at the American Embassy in Singapore during part of the Vietnam War. The Brits had a jungle warfare school in Kota Bahru Malaysia nearby that some US forces attended. They would come through the embassy and check in with the military attaches office before training started.

Someone mentioned US forces doing R&R in then British Hong Kong. We had the same set up in Singapore. We leased four existing hotels for guys on leave, 3 for enlisted and one for officers. And the Brits let US forces use their recreational facilities.

Things could get somewhat out of hand at times. You would have US Navy ships from the 7th Fleet off Vietnam coming in for shore leave, our troops from Vietnam, Brit Army, Navy and Air Force people. All mingling together. Too much Tiger beer and some wild bar room fights. And the beautiful Singapore women.


Although it was long before my time, I have read that a lot of US Service personnel enjoyed a welcome rest in Hong Kong by invitation of Britain, whilst the British intelligence base on Hong Kong was used to provide the US with intelligence.

It sounds like you had a good time in Singapore and Hong Kong, and I am sure many US personnel have some fond memories, as well as the obvious more tragic memories of the time.
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Old 11-29-2023, 11:59 AM
 
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Meh.

When the first draftees showed up in 1941 there was the lamenting the horrible physical shape they were in, concerns about their effectiveness in combat, untested officer corps, poorly funded/equipped units, etc.

That generation certainly stepped up.

For every confused 20 year old on TikTok there are peers who enlist everyday and do the job everyday.

I have serious issues with "kids these days" but fortunately there are always people who would step up.
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Old 11-29-2023, 08:51 PM
 
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katharsis, please be aware that the National Guard can be federalized and sent to Shirtholestan or anywhere else. There was a Supreme Court case in the 80's over Reagan sending NG troops to El Salvador. The SCOTUS ruled for the Executive, supporting federalization. Bush II sent many NG Soldiers to Iraq. My oldest grandson has to register for selective service next year. That's the closest he'll ever come to military service.
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Old 11-30-2023, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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katharsis, please be aware that the National Guard can be federalized and sent to Shirtholestan or anywhere else. There was a Supreme Court case in the 80's over Reagan sending NG troops to El Salvador. The SCOTUS ruled for the Executive, supporting federalization. Bush II sent many NG Soldiers to Iraq. My oldest grandson has to register for selective service next year. That's the closest he'll ever come to military service.
Thank you for the post. Yes NG soldiers are used very often in our country's conflict. I spent 8 years on active duty and another 29 years in the national guard. You characterize correctly the federalization of the reserve units.

On the bold part, this saddens me. I would like to see our military attract good people. We do not have enough coming to serve anymore. The one saving grace is with our training and equipment we can do it with fewer soldiers.

Thanks for the post.

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Old 11-30-2023, 09:07 AM
 
Location: U.S.
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katharsis, please be aware that the National Guard can be federalized and sent to Shirtholestan or anywhere else. There was a Supreme Court case in the 80's over Reagan sending NG troops to El Salvador. The SCOTUS ruled for the Executive, supporting federalization. Bush II sent many NG Soldiers to Iraq. My oldest grandson has to register for selective service next year. That's the closest he'll ever come to military service.
Most people also know Clinton and Obama sent NG soldiers on deployments.
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Old 11-30-2023, 09:09 AM
 
Location: U.S.
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Thank you for the post. Yes NG soldiers are used very often in our country's conflict. I spent 8 years on active duty and another 29 years in the national guard. You characterize correctly the federalization of the reserve units.

On the bold part, this saddens me. I would like to see our military attract good people. We do not have enough coming to serve anymore. The one saving grace is with our training and equipment we can do it with fewer soldiers.

Thanks for the post.

Regarding your concerns, the Army will need less volunteers to source a reduced Army. Over 20,000 less in FY24.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...tting-smaller/

Recruiting goals get easier when less are needed. Further negating the likelihood for a draft too.
Do more with less is a common phrase.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Report: Americans don't want to fight for their country anymore

https://www.newsweek.com/american-mi...apathy-1842449

I'm not really surprised. You can't really convince anyone to serve, they either want to or not. Everyone perceives the military as "Full Metal Jacket" or "Saving Private Ryan" so it's no wonder most Americans would prefer to avoid that.
I am sure most Americans have no problem when it comes to fighting for their own country, the problem is when they are sent by politicians to fight and even die, for someone else's country.
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Old 11-30-2023, 11:54 PM
 
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Maybe the US government could offer couples a financial incentive to have an extra kid for the purpose of being sacrificed in Vietraqistan or some other quagmire critical to our nation's survival?
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Old 12-04-2023, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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I am sure most Americans have no problem when it comes to fighting for their own country, the problem is when they are sent by politicians to fight and even die, for someone else's country.
My Special Forces husband had nightmares for a while after defending the Haiti, Dominican Republic border after a natural disaster.
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