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Old 11-28-2023, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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So if you “lose” your stuff in training you pay for it, but if you “lose” your stuff on a deployment, you don’t pay for it? That doesn’t seem like a good system to me. There must be tens of thousands of soldiers “losing” stuff worth millions of dollars.

I wasn’t in the Army, as you mentioned, so I don’t know. I’m just stating that as an outside onlooker, I am hearing conflicting stories on if you pay for it or not. Maybe that’s the problem? Some end up paying for it, while others get to write it off? Toxic leaders just might do that. If a guy is a screwup and not well liked, as the guy in the video may have been, maybe leadership did refuse to write his gear off? Make him pay for all that oxygen he stole all those years?

But getting back to having your bags taken off the plane because it’s too heavy. AMC isn’t going to give you an MFR when they do that. If you are the only guy in your unit redeploying home, how can you definitively prove that that even happened? I know how AMC operates, and the chances of someone in the Army following up and calling the correct office and getting a definitive answer as to what happened is pretty small. Those Reach missions that flew out of Kabul at the end could’ve had an aircrew from anywhere. You’d probably have to find that particular load master and or aircraft commander and hope he remembered that mission. The best answer you would get, if you even found the guy, is that it’s possible it happened, but they wouldn’t know who’s bags they were.

If you redeployed as a unit and had numerous people who were in the same boat corroborate your story, that seems easier.
You pay for it if you're negligent. I can't make it any simpler than that for you.

If your direct chain is toxic and truly out to get you (which is unlikely, I'm not sure what units you served in if you think that happens much), it's pretty easy to go up the chain, or to the IG, or through the NCO support channel.

No single Soldier would typically be redeployed. We roll by squads. They'll almost certainly be someone there, with them, that can corroborate their story-or they can convince their chain of command that they were forced to leave their gear behind. If it's not an emergency situation and they were told to leave it behind? The smart Soldier either won't go, sign it over to someone, or if it's something super critical-will get the closest NCO and get some support.

You weren't in the Army, correct, so I'm not sure why you keep arguing this.
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Old 11-28-2023, 12:31 PM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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You weren't in the Army, correct, so I'm not sure why you keep arguing this.
I don't think he's arguing the point. He's just arguing with me.

Too many obvious reasons why there would be a combat loss versus a training loss.
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Old 11-28-2023, 02:07 PM
 
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I don't think he's arguing the point. He's just arguing with me.

Too many obvious reasons why there would be a combat loss versus a training loss.
If you think he is definitely lying, go to his social media and call him out for it. If I was sure, I would do it.
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