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Old 01-19-2024, 11:10 AM
 
Location: U.S.
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During the last administration the unemployment rate was around 6.3%.

During this administration it’s been around 3.5%.

Mystery solved.
Do you enjoy cherry picking facts? Is this an attempt to hijack thread and thus close the thread?

Unemployment refers to the share of the labor force that is without work but available for and seeking employment.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...mployment-rate

U.S. unemployment rate for 2022 was 3.61%, a 1.74% decline from 2021.
U.S. unemployment rate for 2021 was 5.35%, a 2.7% decline from 2020.
U.S. unemployment rate for 2020 was 8.05%, a 4.38% increase from 2019.
U.S. unemployment rate for 2019 was 3.67%, a 0.23% decline from 2018.

With Trump, always below 5%.
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Old 01-19-2024, 03:56 PM
 
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Do you enjoy cherry picking facts? Is this an attempt to hijack thread and thus close the thread?

Unemployment refers to the share of the labor force that is without work but available for and seeking employment.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...mployment-rate

U.S. unemployment rate for 2022 was 3.61%, a 1.74% decline from 2021.
U.S. unemployment rate for 2021 was 5.35%, a 2.7% decline from 2020.
U.S. unemployment rate for 2020 was 8.05%, a 4.38% increase from 2019.
U.S. unemployment rate for 2019 was 3.67%, a 0.23% decline from 2018.

With Trump, always below 5%.
Fact Check disagrees.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

During times of higher unemployment, military recruiting rises. And the reverse is also true. See below link for details.


https://militarypay.defense.gov/Port..._Chapter_2.pdf
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Old 01-19-2024, 07:00 PM
 
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Fact Check disagrees.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

During times of higher unemployment, military recruiting rises. And the reverse is also true. See below link for details.

https://militarypay.defense.gov/Port..._Chapter_2.pdf
Gee, you found a left wing “fact check” site that surprisingly didn’t factor in any Covid shutdown employment data AND ignored data after 2020.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source...org-media-bias


How about looking at a .gov website that shows Trump was all below 5% unemployment EXCEPT Covid.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employmen...yment-rate.htm


And Biden was over 6% unemployment in 2021.. .. what’s wrong with that picture?
There goes your narrative.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/arc...t_03052021.pdf
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Old 01-20-2024, 07:48 AM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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That’s why I would prefer the VA to be a form of health insurance instead of a medical facility network. Doing so would allow the vet to see the doctor of their choice within their own community. Besides the difficulty getting an appointment, another complaint is the revolving door of doctors as well as doctors of questionable qualifications.
Absolutely spot on. In some places, near me for example, VA care can be extraordinary (Co-located with a medical university). But other times, it's a complete cluster.
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Old 01-20-2024, 07:49 AM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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And Biden was over 6% unemployment in 2021.. .. what’s wrong with that picture?
There goes your narrative.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/arc...t_03052021.pdf
February 28th, 2021? When Biden had been President for exactly 39 days?
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Old 01-20-2024, 08:55 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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To be sure there are multiple factors causing the failure to meet officially stated recruitment goals.

But, as a few posters above alluded to, my impression among the main factors is the perception that the US military does not wage war for the purpose of military victories, but as for-profit business ventures abroad in which recruits have little stake beyond basic salary and whose beneficial owners are corporate executives who profit most, then their puppets in political theater (so-called “party” does not matter), and then maybe some random financial market participants who trade and invest in the bonds and stocks of these corporations.

Put another way, the perception is that the US military has little to do with national defense and the bulk of the population has almost zero stake in these never-ending for-profit military business ventures abroad.

The perception is there is very little public good.

To be sure, there are many other factors contributing to the current situation, but this perception, as accurate or as inaccurate as it may be, is among them.

Finally, none of this may matter for as long as there is no draft and the business of war is increasingly waged by machines and less by boots on the ground, voluntary for-hire wearers of boots that is, and not involuntarily drafted military slaves.
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Old 01-20-2024, 02:29 PM
 
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One of the top reasons young adults say they are uninterested in military service is the abysmal pay.

Yet the military's budget has grown consistently every year. Some years they receive more money than they even ask for. Per capita we spend more on defense than any other G7 country.

Meanwhile pay is stagnant. An enlistee in the US Army earns $23,000/yr--even if the enlistee has a college degree. Coast Guard (highest paying branch) pays $24k. That's $11/hr. Lower than minimum wage in most states. Certainly below a living wage.

We spend more (percentage-wise) maintaining equipment than we did in the middle of the Vietnam War. Maybe it's time we rethink that. Doesn't matter how well the equipment runs if you don't have people to run them.
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Old 01-22-2024, 07:45 AM
 
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Meanwhile pay is stagnant. An enlistee in the US Army earns $23,000/yr--even if the enlistee has a college degree. Coast Guard (highest paying branch) pays $24k. That's $11/hr. Lower than minimum wage in most states. Certainly below a living wage.
The Coast Guard has the exact same pay scale as the other branches.
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Old 01-22-2024, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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One of the top reasons young adults say they are uninterested in military service is the abysmal pay.

Yet the military's budget has grown consistently every year. Some years they receive more money than they even ask for. Per capita we spend more on defense than any other G7 country.

Meanwhile pay is stagnant. An enlistee in the US Army earns $23,000/yr--even if the enlistee has a college degree. Coast Guard (highest paying branch) pays $24k. That's $11/hr. Lower than minimum wage in most states. Certainly below a living wage.

We spend more (percentage-wise) maintaining equipment than we did in the middle of the Vietnam War. Maybe it's time we rethink that. Doesn't matter how well the equipment runs if you don't have people to run them.
People saying that they aren't interested don't really understand the way 'pay' works in the military.

Can an 18-year old get a job paying the same these days? Likely yes.

Does that job come with clear and unambiguous training on how to do your job, a well-defined career path, a decent level of job security, free medical care, education benefits either in service or after, a defined-benefit pension plan (it's a lower % but still exists if a member does 20), gym membership, 3 meals a day, and housing-at 18, with no college degree? Probably not.

People join for the adventure. They stay for the benefits.
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Old 01-24-2024, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Some Europe countries such as Sweden are bringing back military conscription in order to prepare for war, with others also looking at such optionf

Even in Britain are starting to discuss what might need to happen in terms of our future defence, and even the possibility of the return of conscription.

Some recent articles -

Britain must train 'citizen army' to prepare for potential land war, says military chief - Sky News

'There's a 1939 feel to the world right now' - Tobias Ellwood warns of possibility of conscription (Video) - Sky News

Army chief says people of UK are ‘prewar generation’ who must be ready to fight Russia - The Guardian

Conscription in the UK - who would be called up after military draft warning by Army chief - Daily Mirror

Europe must defend itself with US support in doubt, UK’s Grant Shapps says - Politico

Britain must prepare for war. America won’t save us this time - The Telegraph

The West is preparing for a future without America - The Telegraph

CALL UP - What age is conscription and will Brits be forced to sign up for military service if the UK goes to war with Russia? - The Sun

Britons 'face call-up if we go to war with Russia': Head of the Army will tell ministers troops numbers are so low he would need 'to find more people' if Putin's war in Ukraine escalated and public's 'mindset' must change so they are ready - Daily Mail
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