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Old 09-09-2008, 08:23 PM
 
Location: South GA
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Thanks for the replies, ya'll! It is really interesting when an issue like this can be discussed without having to resort to name-calling or bashing, or saying something in a way in which you know you are being hostile.

 
Old 09-09-2008, 08:24 PM
 
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Thanks for the replies, ya'll! It is really interesting when an issue like this can be discussed without having to resort to name-calling or bashing, or saying something in a way in which you know you are being hostile.
I agree it is nice.
 
Old 09-09-2008, 09:46 PM
 
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Take away McCain's incredible military experience.

Ok, what party will serve the best interest of the military b/c really, we know GWB had his "advisors"...(just using GWB as an example)

Who are McCain's advisors & who are Obama's?

Who is truly going to be able to do what needs to be done in Afghanistan?
 
Old 09-09-2008, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Western Bexar County
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...Members of the military need to worry about who getting voted into the Senate and Congress just as much as the President. They are all powerful when it comes to military programs and benefits.
Very true. The President's policies affects your overseas deployments while Congress, who control the purse strings, affects your wallet. The Judicial branch...well, they're just stirring up the pot.
 
Old 09-10-2008, 09:43 PM
 
Location: mass
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Very good to hear from members of the military on this issue. Thank you all for responding. We who are not in the military want to hear your opinions!

And you ladies and gentlemen are so civil! You can't even go into the politics forum and read any of the threads/posts. It's all one way or the other way crap. no one is saying well, we're undecided and we like obama because of this and mccain because of that, etc.
 
Old 09-10-2008, 10:06 PM
 
Location: South GA
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Very good to hear from members of the military on this issue. Thank you all for responding. We who are not in the military want to hear your opinions!

And you ladies and gentlemen are so civil! You can't even go into the politics forum and read any of the threads/posts. It's all one way or the other way crap. no one is saying well, we're undecided and we like obama because of this and mccain because of that, etc.

That was my thought (hope) when I originated this thread. I did not want to have all the hype and ugliness that is usually associated with issues of this nature. Honestly, that is also why I was second-guessing myself after I posted it! LOL I really did not want to add to the "crap" that was already happening.

I am just sincerely interested in how our military would respond. And they have...beautifully!

Thanks!
 
Old 09-10-2008, 10:57 PM
 
Location: hinesburg, vt
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LOL, checking the political forums and seeing some of the bizarre stuff and nastiness really makes you wonder about the competence of a large segment of the population to be able to make an intelligent and rational choice. As someone mentioned earlier, the caliber of the members of the Senate and Congress is probably more important than that of the President, and we really have a lousy bunch overall in office at present. I really believe that a good amount of them really are clueless on issues and just pray to ride out their terms and get reelected. Way too many are only good at pandering to the electorate and uttering great sounding promises which they know are not attainable. Regarding the impact on service members I know by living in a virtual socialist state that quite a bit of the anti-war rhetoric is bogus as Obama indicates he is willing to expand the operations and fight in OEF. The biggest mouthpieces here in my "blue" state are willing to moan and groan because they know that they do not have to serve so if in fact Obama wins and we are in for several more years of troop deployments I'll be curious how far down the list complaining about war will fall.
 
Old 09-11-2008, 08:16 AM
 
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So, who, in your opinion, is going to take better care of the troups? What happened 6 yrs ago was completely wrong. But it's neither here nor there anymore & to keep harboring over it really does nothing.
The troops need to leave Iraq but they need to leave in a way that diginifies the ones who were not able to leave on their own terms.
We need to take a strong stance in Afghanistan. We need to mean business in Afghanistan & not let the Taliban play hide-n-seek.

What candidate is going to have advisors that makes the positive changes our miltiary needs & deserves?

As former military, it didn't matter to me Rep or Dem.

What mattered was that I was following the orders of my Commander in Chief as I WILLINGLY signed to do. BUT, I also was under the assumption that the orders were based on truth & purpose.

I just want a Commander in Chief & group of advisors who are ethical, moral, and professional.

Iran could be a really nasty country shortly. China is a concern also. And never forget about North Korea. They usually only do crazy stuff when their people are close to starvation & they need aid, but don't count them out b/c they are not thinking with all 4 cyclinders.

What candidate has the knowledge & guts to not make the US be bullies but the country it once was prior to the past few years?
 
Old 09-11-2008, 11:08 AM
 
Location: SC
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I have a brother that is currently serving in IRAQ. We DO NOT discuss anything other than minor issues when it comes to the inner workings of the military there.

In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, I think we need someone who is willing to do more for the military other than just send them to war. The suicide rate is off the roof for soldiers. I have heard horror stories about some of the VA hospitals. I have also heard from women who have lost their husbands of the process that they go through in order to receive benefits.

Honestly, I really don't like the Rep. or the Dem. nominees, and I'm having a hard time choosing which one to vote for.
 
Old 09-11-2008, 12:05 PM
 
Location: hinesburg, vt
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The truth of the matter, at least concerning the bulk of the force who do the bulk work, the junior to mid level enlisted, is that no one high in the food chain all the way to the president is really aware or deeply cares what you experience or opinion is. It is nice to think that leadership is ethical, moral, and professional, but my twenty-nine years going through two branches both active and reserve has revealed that only a very small amount of leaders really care. This in no way is meant to disparage the military and those in leadership positions who really are fine folks who understand that treating people right gets the best results and loyalty, it is merely based on my experience right up until the present. Then again, there are just as many rotten supervisors and managers in the civilian sector as well. Has more to do with individual character than anything else. The only difference is in the military ticket punchers who only care about themselves are dangerous in that they can cost people their lives to make themselves shine. It's always been that way and always will be as well.
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