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Old 01-23-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Des Moines, IA
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Just a random useless fact but a Canadian sniper holds the record for longest confirmed kill at 2,657 yards or 1.51 miles, he did it in 2002 in Afghanistan.


Wow... That's unbelievable. When I posted that originally I thought about Canadian snipers. I've only heard good things about them.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:32 PM
 
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By far, but it does not matter.

The chances of an all-out, WW-II-style, force on force conflict are slim to none and getting lower every day. And we all know about MAD in a nuke exchange, so that's off the table.

No modern, developed country could wage large-scale, force on force war on another modern, developed country without starving or robbing the energy from their own people. They're all far too connected.

Those who wish to tangle with the US, for any reason, will not wear a uniform and represent a nation state on the field of battle. To do so would mean an instant loss.

China? Please. Their military is a joke (a big one, but still a joke)
Isreal, *od love them, but no way. Why do people perpetuate this myth?

FWIW, the best uniformed guys from another country I ever met were Canadian, hands down, UK second. The rest were right sad and their military had turned into one big social service.

It's the quality of the people, not the other factors that make a military strong.
I can assume you, if China/PLA wants to invade a country, it would be joke to even think of a joke...A huge force who will use all of our rules of engagement against us and who would rather die than retreat/surrender...

Seems like some of you are saying "if you take ten soldiers from each country and put them all a football field, who would win?"...

I'm basing my definition of "the strongest" on most likely scenarios...The most likely scenario is country A invading county B...
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I was talking to a younger friend and he trained with the German Infantry in the 80's. Like another friend that fought the Germans in WW2, he thought the German infantry was the toughest bunch he had ever met.

I do not think we have anything to worry about with the Chinese Army. However the Russians may be a bit concerned about the Chinese.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Fly-over country.
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I can assume you, if China/PLA wants to invade a country, it would be joke to even think of a joke...A huge force who will use all of our rules of engagement against us and who would rather die than retreat/surrender...

Seems like some of you are saying "if you take ten soldiers from each country and put them all a football field, who would win?"...

I'm basing my definition of "the strongest" on most likely scenarios...The most likely scenario is country A invading county B...
I don't care who invatdes whom for what reason. The OP asked who's the strongest. I assert that we are strongest in the US by a nearly impossible to overcome gap.

I also assert that war, as we know it now, makes this discussion pointless.

With all of our might, we practice restriant (see Korea, Vietnam, Gulf 1 and 2, the 'stan, etc).

China will only be a threat if another consumer nation surpasses our ability to keep them in business. (China's economic growth dropped to zero, so you can see we are in the same boat.)
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:48 PM
 
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I was talking to a younger friend and he trained with the German Infantry in the 80's. Like another friend that fought the Germans in WW2, he thought the German infantry was the toughest bunch he had ever met.

I do not think we have anything to worry about with the Chinese Army. However the Russians may be a bit concerned about the Chinese.
Nazi Germany soldiers were pumped full of steroids. Makes a huge difference I never see a problem with China just randomly fighting us. While I feel the odds are low, something goes wrong somewhere and cuts off their oil, they fight someone we like and we protect the country we like.

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I don't care who invatdes whom for what reason. The OP asked who's the strongest. I assert that we are strongest in the US by a nearly impossible to overcome gap.

I also assert that war, as we know it now, makes this discussion pointless.

With all of our might, we practice restriant (see Korea, Vietnam, Gulf 1 and 2, the 'stan, etc).

China will only be a threat if another consumer nation surpasses our ability to keep them in business. (China's economic growth dropped to zero, so you can see we are in the same boat.)
I do disagree with us being the strongest, so I agree to disagree. Relative to the rest of the suffering, I don't see economy even a factor. I'll mention two things, that I don't even feel matters anyway. They are communists, there's no minimum wage or labor rates, therefore when times are tough, they can do whatever they want to lessen the economic damage of the economy. Also, they pay 90% less than we do for equipment and spend their money on military items vs quality of life.

They have a larger army & air force and a smaller navy. They have very few rules other than do what your told. I'll point out one more thing about the economy...Just some fact mixed with my opinions
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Bethesda
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China has nothing to gain by starting a war with the US and vice versa so a full-scale war between us is not very likely...not to mention both sides have nuclear weapons and the weapon systems to deliver them (just as important). But, hypothetically, victory would depend on the scenario. The U.S. could never successfully invade China. Sure, we could establish air superiority (at high cost) but even if the US stopped playing nice like in Iraq/Afghanistan, China would win. Their army currently is not that much larger than ours since they've been in the process of modernizing and streamlining. But they have 200+ million men they could draft before having to accept a foreign ruler. China would also win any similar conflict where they invade a neighboring country (sans Russia). But any other scenario such as China invading the US or a war in which China would have to move its troops off land would see the U.S. victorious.

Israel has been mentioned on here and I think it deserves to be said that pound for pound they are top notch. A combination of excellent training, technology, and the desperation in defending that small land works wonders. Not to mention the pitiful Arab militaries they've been matched against.

In my opinion "strongest military" means both defensive capability and global offensive projection. China, Israel, all former British empire states, EU countries, etc etc have much of the former but little of the latter. Only the U.S. and Russia have true global offensive ability. And this is even after half their navy has rusted since the end of the cold war. The U.S. wins by a long shot, followed by Russia at 2 and China at 3. Of course in 20 years China could easily be neck to neck with America.

Either way, i get the feeling that all 3 of the major military powers have secret weapons the public and media have no idea about.
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Bethesda
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I can assume you, if China/PLA wants to invade a country, it would be joke to even think of a joke...A huge force who will use all of our rules of engagement against us and who would rather die than retreat/surrender...

Seems like some of you are saying "if you take ten soldiers from each country and put them all a football field, who would win?"...

I'm basing my definition of "the strongest" on most likely scenarios...The most likely scenario is country A invading county B...
And how would that huge Chinese force get to the country it's invading? You're overestimating the advantage of sheer numbers. This is the modern age so tactics, training, and technology are just as big of factors. Each age of history has seen the benefits of size advantage shrink. In ancient times it was putting together the largest mob you could and equipping them with weapons. Things changed with Alexander the Great and then the Roman Empire.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:23 PM
 
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Those shear numbers is what the russian tried to explain to the Chinese in the 50's. They just didn't get that masses no longer really mattered.Look at the start of the gulfway and Iraq;thier command and controll were knocked out in just days.Then they only had a mob scattered thru out the country.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:56 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Those shear numbers is what the russian tried to explain to the Chinese in the 50's. They just didn't get that masses no longer really mattered.Look at the start of the gulfway and Iraq;thier command and controll were knocked out in just days.Then they only had a mob scattered thru out the country.
Yeah and the fact they they are trained that only an officer can lead ... they don't have the NCO structure that we have; when we landed in Grenada and came under fire from the Cuban manned AA batteries it was a US Army Ranger corporal that stood up and yelled "F--k this!" and led the charge that captured the Point Salines International Airport.

You simply don't have that type of initiative in most 3rd world armies and even many other 1st world armies. The Iraqis could have done 100 things differently and they probably could have caused enough casaulties to make us give up due to public discontent over high casaulties in the first week.
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Old 01-28-2009, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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I keep reading these comments about Israel. Can someone please explain to me what makes Israel's military so formidable? They haven't fought a single, organized army in almost 40 years. Aside from billions in American military hardware, what makes them so tough?
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