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Old 04-15-2009, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Northern VA
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I am retired AF and going to Germany for vacation this summer. A friend was just telling me that I will not be able to purchase ANYTHING in the BX, commisary or shopette while I am over there. I can certainly understand not buying gas or any "rationed" items but I am not sure I understand why I can not make any purchase of routine items as a retired military member. Does anyone have any expereince with this?
Thanks!
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:54 AM
 
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Tips for retirees and widows (http://www.hqusareur.army.mil/opm/custom4.htm - broken link)

"http://www.hqusareur.army.mil/opm/custom4.htm"
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Northern VA
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Thanks for the link.. Interesting..
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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My last duty station was Naples Italy, we had a few 'Reserve-Retirees' who lived near the bases. There existed an obscure list of things they could / could not do on base.

The regular retirees often came in on Space-A, they could rent rooms on-base, and they could use all of the facilities.

But the Reserve-Retirees had a set of restrictions on them.

I was told that it is entirely up to the area SOFA and the base commander. [SOFA- Status of forces agreement, the treaty between the USA and the Local Nation that we are occupying]
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:34 AM
 
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I was told that it is entirely up to the area SOFA and the base commander. [SOFA- Status of forces agreement, the treaty between the USA and the Local Nation that we are occupying]
PSSST! Forest Beekeper, we don't occupy any European countries anymore...
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Ooops, sorry.

The US bases in Europe where we maintain co-jurisdiction with the Local Nations to enforce law and order among their peoples?



[My last tour of duty was in Europe doing Law Enforcement in Italy and Greece for 3 years]

I suppose that 'occupy' may be the wrong political word. We have based that we took from the Germans, our forces signed SOFAs with the occupied nations as soon as we freed them. And a few decades have gone by. Our bases are there, our servicemembers and their families live there, we train our troops there, and we exercise various legal jurisdictions there.

You are correct. 'Occupy' may not be the correct term.
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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Forest Beekeeper, I don't think we're in European nations to help them maintain domestic order. (We do have to maintain order among our assigned military personnel and their family members, however...) And that's what the SOFA (Status of Forces) agreements are for.

We're deployed to European nations for our strategic and tactical needs there and elsewhere
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Forest Beekeeper, I don't think we're in European nations to help them maintain domestic order. (We do have to maintain order among our assigned military personnel and their family members, however...) And that's what the SOFA (Status of Forces) agreements are for.

We're deployed to European nations for our strategic and tactical needs there and elsewhere
I agree.

Like in Greece, when local domestic religious groups decide to start fighting between themselves. One religion fighting another, fighting in the streets and committing genocide from village to village.

We were / are there to defend one religious group of Local Nationals from the other religious group of Local Nationals, as they fight out their religious differences.

A domestic civil war that has no effect on Americans.

We did not stand in the middle to stop the fighting. We defend one religion, as they continued their strikes against the 'aggressor' religion. Of course these two have been fighting since the Ottoman empire [but no body cares about history].

Been there, done that, walked away with the Kosovo Campaign Medal to prove it.

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