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Old 09-21-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, AK
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Just one more thing to add - You need to be very sure this is what you want, because SF is really hard to cross-train out of - at least in the past (and I don't think this has changed) it has been a critically manned field and difficult to get authorization to cross train from. My husband worked with a guy that cross-trained out, and another that went to CRO school from SF, but my husband's career field is also critically manned so perhaps that is how they got permission to cross-train out of SF.

Not trying to be a downer - I am sure there are plenty of SF that reenlist and stay in the field their entire career due to choice, but its one of those fields that you can get stuck with.
I managed to escape, er Crosstrain , at my 6 1/2 year mark. I had to go to a critical field to get out of a critical field. Thats the restrictions. So thats probably how your husband pulled it off as well.
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Old 09-21-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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Oh my husband was never SF but works with guys that "escaped" from it to work in his career field.

The good thing about those critically manned fields is that when they start nonvolunteering people for recruiter duty, the commanders will not release them for it. Phew. About 8 or 9 yrs ago he was on that list and I was a little worried we'd end up in some armpit (you should have seen the locations they had on the list for nonvolunteered recruiter duty). TG there was no way the AF was going to let someone they spent 2 yrs and a ton of money training for his field go be a recruiter.
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Old 09-21-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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Thanks for the "reality check", Lisdol and Robe81!!! Looks like things have changed a LOT since I retired...
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Old 09-21-2009, 07:01 PM
 
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Since the wars on terror, you're not even given the option to submit a crosstrain request for SF. However at re-enlistment you can apply to become a dog handler or weapons handler. I hang out with a lot of them at my base and here's my "hearsay", so take it like a grain of salt. I would say this, if you do not want a civilian career as being a cop, look for another job.

Here's what they complain about the most, long hours, long frequent deployments to bare bases, on your feet nearly your entire shift, generally just standing around on the hot (or freezing) pavement, not being relieved to either go to the bathroom or get food for long periods of time, lots of exercises/inspections-some without notice, very easy to lose stripes for bad behavior, a lot of unhappy people work in the career field. I would recommend researching the field more if what I said dis-concerns you...
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Old 09-21-2009, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, AK
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Since the wars on terror, you're not even given the option to submit a crosstrain request for SF. However at re-enlistment you can apply to become a dog handler or weapons handler. I hang out with a lot of them at my base and here's my "hearsay", so take it like a grain of salt. I would say this, if you do not want a civilian career as being a cop, look for another job.

Here's what they complain about the most, long hours, long frequent deployments to bare bases, on your feet nearly your entire shift, generally just standing around on the hot (or freezing) pavement, not being relieved to either go to the bathroom or get food for long periods of time, lots of exercises/inspections-some without notice, very easy to lose stripes for bad behavior, a lot of unhappy people work in the career field. I would recommend researching the field more if what I said dis-concerns you...
No you can still do it. I cross-trained out in 2005. Just dont listen to cop leadership as they will pretty much say anything to keep you there. My commander attempted to block mine and I had to look up the regulation. As a 1st Term Airman, you are guaranteed a cross-train opportunity. Then it becomes your responsibility to make sure you're smart about it and put down jobs that are realistic. I really wanted aircraft mechanic...but there were no spots open for it. I picked Intelligence as I thought that was my best opportunity.

As for the negatives the ones that pushed me into finally getting out of that field were the having to call for a bathroom break which could take a while and the fact that so many Security Forces are just flat out jerks that will screw over anyone to better their situation. I couldnt be like that and felt I got walked over sometimes. So I bailed.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville, NC
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I retired from Security Forces last year after 24 years. I was originally Law Enforcement. You will see very little law enforcement training or action in your first four years. Your primary mission will be as a Response Force member working flightline security or missile security if you get a missile base. Long boring hours of tedium. My son has been in the career field for two years and was sent to RAF Lakenheath in the UK for his first duty station. My best advise to him is to study his CDCs, pass his initial QC, then QC for desk clerk/alarm monitor or patrolman, do volunteer work, and try to get SRA below the zone. I also told him to stay overseas while he is single.

If you get a high deployment base like my last one at Seymour Johnson, NC you will deploy tot he combat zone for 8 months each year. Your mission could be guarding Iraqi detainees, Convoy escort dodging IEDs, base defense, or even on a Provisional Reconstruction team doing dangerous work on a one to one basis with the locals.

It can be an exciting experience if you are motivated and want to do it. There are many slugs that got stuck in SF who hate it and will drag you down. Avoid them like the plague.
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:41 AM
 
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As a 1st Term Airman, you are guaranteed a cross-train opportunity. Then it becomes your responsibility to make sure you're smart about it and put down jobs that are realistic.
Airmen have posibilities when it comes to cross training

"One popular misconception about CAREERS is that first-term Airmen are guaranteed a retrain under the program.

"While an Airmen's chances of retraining are better under CAREERS than other programs, nothing is guaranteed except the opportunity to retrain," said Sergeant Mullens."

In 2005-2006 they were trying to get rid of people, perhaps that's how you got lucky and it got a approved. People I know who have tried to in the past two years to get out were deined; I guess I stand corrected in that you cannot even apply.

I'm glad both sides of this are coming out.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:16 AM
 
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At a base long ago and far away... A First-termer Airman fell asleep at the wheel of her pickup and impaled the passenger's side of the windshield on an F-16 missile launcher...
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Maine!
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At a base long ago and far away... A First-termer Airman fell asleep at the wheel of her pickup and impaled the passenger's side of the windshield on an F-16 missile launcher...

this wasn't at luke, was it?
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Old 09-23-2009, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I don't have any experience with SF but I have seen a little bit of what they go thru. Basically you will be miserable, you will almost never have a smile on your face....you will be working long 12 hour shifts and getting dumped on in the process. Oh and let's not forget the numerous deployments downrange. You kmight even hate life for a bit and swear not to ever re-enlist. I personally know a few ex SF's that felt this way.

Also you recruiter told you it "opened up"...lol that's too funny. pretty much if you put "open general" on your form you're most likely going to be a cop.

But if there is one good thing about SF is you'll get a lot of good training.
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