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Old 12-10-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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the crazy thing is many people still feel this way and actually join the AF b/c of it, then are shocked/surprised when they find themselves over in Afghanistan or Iraq for a year. Another recruiter just tolde me he came across this kid he tried to put in the Marine Corps a few years back, but his mother didn't want him to join the Marine Corps for the fear of him going on deployment as soon as he got out of boot camp. He joined the AF and is gearing up to go over for a third time.
That's so true mac. I think a lot of that comes from people they talk to who have served in other branches and still have that perception of the AF. Granted no one will ever mistake an airman for a Marine, but they serve different missions. The AF is basically one large support function for pilots and more recently Army and Marine ground units. Without air power the U.S. casualty rates would be astronomical.

I cringe when I read stories of how the Army is meeting it's recruiting goals. For one thing, standards have dropped for getting in, for another, they are pulling a lot more non-critical airmen from their AFSC's into the fight to support them in the AOR. A majority of our enlisted taskings these past few years have been "in lieu of" in support of the Army. Airman are getting a months training in combat support/convoy duty in Texas before heading off to remote Army posts throughout the AOR.
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:35 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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My husband is in the Air Force and loves it. He has a brother in the Army who is in Iraq right now, A sister in the Navy (who hates it), Brother in Marines. Air Force is a good family branch. Chances of getting deployed are lower. Its all about what you want to do. Navy you get to travel a lot, Air Force not so much.
When I enlisted in the Navy one of the first things said to us recruits is your momma, wife, girlfriend, family... is not issued in a sea bag.
I'm sure most or every person who has enlisted has heard something similar.

That doesn't mean there are not some concessions but duty first.
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Turkeytrot, we in the USAF have finally come around to the USN/USMC way of thinking in aircraft maintenance! When I enlisted in 1974, we had a specialist for every system on the aircraft. Few could do someone else's job. Nowadays, the Air Force has combined AFSCs (MOSs) so there are probably one a third of the what we used to have. Nowadays, if you're a "radar" guy, you pretty much work on all of the avionics. If you're a "Crew Chief", you now work on the hydraulic system, too. (Briefly, the engine AFSC was combined was the Crew Chief AFSC, but the Powers-that-be realized that you can't teach troublshooting of an afterburner blowout sitting underneath a jet...

As for the F-4 (and other fighter ejection seats) I BELIEVE (been retired 13 years now; it may have changed)) that Life Support has to come out to take care of the pilot's O2 bottle and seat pack while Egress Shop dearms and removes the seat. The Life Support folks are attached to the flying squadron and maintain all of the pilot's helmets, masks and other protective gear. While Egress shop is assigned to the maintenance squadron.
Streamlining is everywhere these days.
The same is said for the Navy, the Parachute riggers take care of the survival equipment, helmets, G suit, O2 mask seat pan and the rest of the flight gear while the AMEs maintained the seat and all of it's associated systems.
Sure do miss those Phantoms.
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Old 12-12-2009, 04:30 PM
 
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Right on, Macjr82 and Coolhand68! I just don't understand how ANYONE can even consider military service without the understanding that you are joining to serve your country; wherever and however your branch of service needs you to. And yes, the poor so-and-so from the other country may be lucky enough to make you die for your country before you are able to make him die for his country (or at least his beliefs)... (with a nod to GEN George S. Patton)

Last edited by Crew Chief; 12-14-2009 at 05:19 AM.. Reason: Add credit to GEN Patton
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Why we serve/served (http://www.nragive.com/ringoffreedom/nr_j0199_landing.html - broken link).
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:57 PM
 
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When I enlisted in the Navy one of the first things said to us recruits is your momma, wife, girlfriend, family... is not issued in a sea bag.
I'm sure most or every person who has enlisted has heard something similar.

That doesn't mean there are not some concessions but duty first.
Another thing you would hear went "The Navy is a mobile orgaization son, pack your seabag".
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Old 12-13-2009, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Another thing you would hear went "The Navy is a mobile orgaization son, pack your seabag".
'pack', it was rarely unpacked.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:44 PM
 
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I was enlisted in the Air Force for 4 years and had two duty stations after basic training, and AIT. Langley AFB, Va and in Seoul, Korea on an Army base. The facilitates on AF bases are much better than the Army and much more family orientated. I would definitely recommend joining the USAF.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:41 PM
 
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Default Air Force or Navy for our Family of 4 + 1 ?

My husband is a civilian, a mechanical engineer working as a contractor for four years now with the same company. He pays out of pocket for his own medical, no vacation, no sick/personal days and all that jazz. My daughter and I have pre-existing conditions and have been denied medical benefits. Our kids attend a high ranking/scoring school in a very affluent community. Education for all of us is one of our 4 priorities: Education, Health Care, Great communities to raise a family in (rich in culture, museums, arts, etc., and being together as a family.

I know there are deployments in all branches of the military, and that Air Force is "generally" the best option for staying together... but I'm being told that the Navy offers better medical for families than the Air Force. Navy's always by water as opposed to Air Force always in a desert??? Our last concern isn't just how long we'll be separated from my husband, but as a family, what will the richness and quality of life be for us while he's away???

We would love to travel, but the kids biological father is a factor as well. We all get along, in fact, it's the greatest divorce ever, and we all, yes, even my husband, want the five of us to always be in each other's lives. Their biological father is a Web Master, great on, in, and around computers both behind the scenes and what the user sees. We have to join the military, the question is, which branch? Air Force or Navy?
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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My advise is to go to " military.com " and go to each branch of the service. Your going to get way to many pros & cons from people who love or hate military life.
Retired USAF, M/Sgt.
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