Misinformation About Milwaukee (neighborhood, high school, to live in)

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Duluth07

If it helps to know...it appears that a lot of two-time felons from Milwaukee are coming to Superior, WI...as far north and west as you can get in Wisconsin (across from Duluth, MN)...I'm guessing the conditions of their parole are to be living within the state of Wisconsin, but reading the newspaper in Superior..almost every other day...drug deal/local girl getting beat up by the guy mooching off her/fights, prostitution, all with a former address in Milwaukee. I think, in the past, felons would have hated living in Superior because, well obviously, they'd stick out like a sore thumb and the cops would be on them every second, but now it doesn't seem to be a problem since there are so many who hop on the bus in Milwaukee and 395 miles later they arrive in Superior with a new life, a new, stupid blonde girl that will believe anyone so long as he claims to 'be goin' to bible study, miss' (bullcrap); sigh.

But many people swear they're coming to Superior because of the generous social services and food stamp programs that are not as readily available in Milwaukee. There is no waiting list for housing. And since many are felons, they just move in with someone. Then they invite 7-8 people up, and the cycle repeats itself.

Here is a question I pose for you. How do you know that these persons coming up from Milwaukee are felons(other than the news from the paper)? Does the paper say they have former addresses in Milwaukee? Can you give me links to prove that the drug deal/local girl getting beaten up?

How do the Superior PD know who is a felon and who isn't just by looking at the person?

How would you know the person from Milwaukee is a felon just by looking at the person?

I ask because I am kind of skeptical of some things. I live in the Atlanta area, and I would expect the drug dealing/girls getting assaulted to be more prevalent down here(Atlanta used to be one of the murder capitals of the USA and while murder is much lower, alot of other crimes still take place and have spread out to the suburbs). I guess my perspective comes from being in more violent cities than Milwaukee(I have relatives near New Orleans). I know there is SOME crime in Superior/Duluth area, but the way it is being portrayed, one could think it was an epidemic.

[rso092]

Originally Posted by Jesse276

It wasn't putting city police on all the buses, it was having the city police make regular patrols of the buses.

Currently the Milwaukee COUNTY Transit System is patrolled by the County Sheriff & rent-a-cops they hire, although I've never seen a sheriff on a bus & I've seen the rent-a-cops exactly twice ever. I've been a frequent bus rider for more than 10 years on multiple routes, going through Downtown, near south side, & the northwest side.

Just a point about MCTS Security since they're getting torn up lately: there are roughly 20 officers on staff TOTAL. It fluctuates a bit, but is usually right around 23-25, including the administration. Until last year, their deployment consisted of a few 2-man squads and a SGT or two. Now, due partly to Dave Clarkes' complaining last year, the officers have been put on buses, had their uniforms changed, and have substantially more oversight from G4S. Oh, yeah, and had their pay cut.

What has this change accomplished? Officers are now more visible to bus riders (typically 2 or 3 bus teams, each with 2 officers, and 2 or 3 single man squads), the squads are now marked clearly as Transit Security, and officers wear a terrible black and yellow uniform. What it has also done is make the environment one where security people are in charge of what is essentially a law enforcement job, due to the increased oversight from G4S and the MCTS liaison. While Wackenhut/G4S has had this contract since its' inception, in the past, the administration was mostly autonomous. Things were ran like an in-house unit, there were numerous police officers on staff, and officers were allowed to use their discretion and judgment to perform the tasks needed. Now, not so much. For instance, earlier this year, an officer I know of was suspended for using a baton on a subject with a knife. That is ludicrous, and to any law enforcement professional, clearly a likely deadly force scenario.

I guess the point of my rant here is to educate people a little bit. The MCTS Officers are doing the best they can, but they are handcuffed by terrible management and contract oversight. Moreover, they have been screwed over on pay. Ultimately, G4S may very well lose the contract due to public outcry, and for the same money they can get MAYBE 10 deputies TOTAL dedicated to transit duties. Good luck with that.

[HerbertStevens]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

Here is a question I pose for you. How do you know that these persons coming up from Milwaukee are felons(other than the news from the paper)? Does the paper say they have former addresses in Milwaukee? Can you give me links to prove that the drug deal/local girl getting beaten up?

How do the Superior PD know who is a felon and who isn't just by looking at the person?

How would you know the person from Milwaukee is a felon just by looking at the person?

I ask because I am kind of skeptical of some things. I live in the Atlanta area, and I would expect the drug dealing/girls getting assaulted to be more prevalent down here(Atlanta used to be one of the murder capitals of the USA and while murder is much lower, alot of other crimes still take place and have spread out to the suburbs). I guess my perspective comes from being in more violent cities than Milwaukee(I have relatives near New Orleans). I know there is SOME crime in Superior/Duluth area, but the way it is being portrayed, one could think it was an epidemic.

I think he's just talking about a trend he noticed between more than a couple people up that way. It's probably not a rampant issue, but a fairly popular one. Really not too hard to believe that a felon from the bigger city would "escape north" to a smaller metro area a bit further out of the limelight.

That was my take on the post you quoted, anyhow.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by HerbertStevens

I think he's just talking about a trend he noticed between more than a couple people up that way. It's probably not a rampant issue, but a fairly popular one. Really not too hard to believe that a felon from the bigger city would "escape north" to a smaller metro area a bit further out of the limelight.

That was my take on the post you quoted, anyhow.

Well, thank you.

It wouldn't be hard to believe based on that thought process. That might be a trend. My question to him was: How can you tell a felon by looking at him?

[Jesse276]

Originally Posted by rso092

I guess the point of my rant here is to educate people a little bit. The MCTS Officers are doing the best they can, but they are handcuffed by terrible management and contract oversight. Moreover, they have been screwed over on pay. Ultimately, G4S may very well lose the contract due to public outcry, and for the same money they can get MAYBE 10 deputies TOTAL dedicated to transit duties. Good luck with that.

There is a management problem, having those scarce resources deployed to Downtown buses is moronic since all of the problems I've heard about have happened in poor neighborhoods with high crime.

Deploy them to meet the crime, not just so they can easily hop from one bus Downtown to the next.

[brewcrew1000]

Even though there might be crime, a good vast majority of the crime is related and not random. 95% of the murders that happen are family feuds over money, botched drug deals, etc. Even though violent crime might be high, where does random crime like getting mugged rank? I would bet a city like Montreal or London considered a safe city would be on par with milwaukee or worse when it came to random crime like a mugging or auto theft.

[jackiepeppercorns]

[/quote]Also downtown is safe. Matter of fact , we might have the safest downtown of any major city in America. The cops patrol downtown well. And the gangs stay away. The east side is also safe but its really small.


Now..... As far as sending your kids to school in Milwaukee , if your kids are not black , you are going to want to send them to a school on the south or west sides or in a suburb. If you send a non black student to a school on the north side , he will be beat up by the black kids on nearly a daily basis. And this will continue til you get him out of that school. I aint racist I'm just telling the truth. And many many people can testify to that.[/quote]

First of all, I've grown up/lived in Milwaukee all my life. I've lived all over the city. My very first apartment by myself was downtown and it was robbed. I have never been robbed before that, or since then. I also worked downtown and walked to work everyday, constantly being harassed on the way, at all times of day/night. Downtown is not as safe as you say it is.

Also, my middle school was 95% black, and I was never beaten up. Neither was my brother, who was a skinny little white boy.

The rest of your post was pretty much right.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Jesse276

There is a management problem, having those scarce resources deployed to Downtown buses is moronic since all of the problems I've heard about have happened in poor neighborhoods with high crime.

Deploy them to meet the crime, not just so they can easily hop from one bus Downtown to the next.

Speaking of deploy, what effect would it have if the police "not quite soldiers" but were equipped as such? What I mean is like having military police.

[Jesse276]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

Speaking of deploy, what effect would it have if the police "not quite soldiers" but were equipped as such? What I mean is like having military police.

I don't know but what if the police ignored neighborhoods where there is serious crime?

[xr7t7]

I believe 60th & Burleigh/Roosevelt Dr. is a part of the Grasslyn Manor neighborhood. Which is just outside St. Joseph's neighborhood. (according to Trulia!)