What's to hate about Brown Deer,WI

[Vipre77]

Originally Posted by KC3700

Good to hear it's stagnant. I know that towards the early pert of the decade I heard about a lot of stuff going down.

The Marketplace of Brown Deer does account for a lot of the crime up there, but you are right, everything I read in the blotters was either shoplifting or check fraud. The only other major crime trend I read about was at your local YMCA, where people were busting into other peoples' lockers.

Hearing what Viper said, I just assumed that the area had made the jump from small stuff like that to the big stuff like selling dro.

All of the stuff I posted ocurred either in front of the Brown Deer schools or kitty-corner from it at the intersection of Bradley Rd and 60th. I don't care where the official borders are. The facts remain that they occured 3-4 blocks from my house. Village lines are more or less arbitrary and this is precisely why the stats Ron is using are useless. They are averaged out over too large an area to be useful. Officially, no, some of that is "not in my town," but when it's that close, does it matter? I say no way in hell. I still regard it is "my town" when it's that close to home.

(Note that the most recent Shots Fired incident that prompted me to post in the first place most definitely occured in Brown Deer. It was directly behind my house even though the link shows it as occuring further south on 60th St. These links merely show the location where police responded to, not necessarily where the crime actually took place.)

[Ron Burgundy]

Originally Posted by Vipre77

All of the stuff I posted ocurred either in front of the Brown Deer schools or kitty-corner from it at the intersection of Bradley Rd and 60th. I don't care where the official borders are. The facts remain that they occured 3-4 blocks from my house. Village lines are more or less arbitrary and this is precisely why the stats Ron is using are useless. They are averaged out over too large an area to be useful. Officially, no, some of that is "not in my town," but when it's that close, does it matter? I say no way in hell. I still regard it is "my town" when it's that close to home.

(Note that the most recent Shots Fired incident that prompted me to post in the first place most definitely occured in Brown Deer. It was directly behind my house even though the link shows it as occuring further south on 60th St. These links merely show the location where police responded to, not necessarily where the crime actually took place.)

Dude, there is crime in and around every single suburb. This is not something unique to Brown Deer, don't pretend like it is. Do I need to start a list for you? Here you go... Four kids were arrested for burglary in Brookfield earlier this month. A man was left in critical condition after being assaulted in a burglary in his home in Menomonee Falls earlier this summer. A woman was stabbed to death in Waukesha two weeks ago. The mayor of Milwaukee was beaten with a pipe in West Allis. Etc, etc, etc. These incidences that all occurred inside those municipalities, while unfortunate, are not something that define these locations (well, maybe Stallis...), so why should we look at crimes occurring outside the border of Brown Deer as something that defines ours? What's more, nothing even close to these levels has occurred actually in Brown Deer in the past year+.

And yes, the location of these incidences does matter. These reported crimes you listed (not verified, by the way, outside of that website), all occurred in the city of Milwaukee. That is not "my town" or "your town" and contrary to what you may think we have no control over the perpetrators or enforcement for incidences that occur outside of the village boundaries. NONE of those links point to crimes occurring in Brown Deer, neither in front of the schools or anywhere else because reporting for Brown Deer on that website DOES NOT EXIST. All the data is for the city of Milwaukee only. If this was as serious of an issue as you think, we would see bleed-over into other parts where there actually are recorded metrics for Brown Deer. Fortunately, we are not seeing that.

You can believe what you want, but as long as you continue to value your cited anecdotal he said/she said data of that website above all else, you're failing to paint an accurate picture of the truth.

[KC3700]

Originally Posted by Vipre77

All of the stuff I posted ocurred either in front of the Brown Deer schools or kitty-corner from it at the intersection of Bradley Rd and 60th.

60th & Bradley is city, my friend.

[Milwaukee City]

Originally Posted by KC3700

60th & Bradley is city, my friend.

What are we splitting hairs? either way Brown Deer doesn't deserve the disrespect it gets.

[KC3700]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

What are we splitting hairs? either way Brown Deer doesn't deserve the disrespect it gets.

I'm not trying to split hairs here. I think it's a legitimate argument. A lot of people who dis Brown Deer are wrongly considering parts of the city like Ghetto Estates to be 'Brown Deer'.

My point was exactly that: 60th & Bradley is a city neighborhood. Vipre was using stats and personal instances that are from outside BD to criticize BD.

[Milwaukee City]

Originally Posted by KC3700

I'm not trying to split hairs here. I think it's a legitimate argument. A lot of people who dis Brown Deer are wrongly considering parts of the city like Ghetto Estates to be 'Brown Deer'.

My point was exactly that: 60th & Bradley is a city neighborhood. Viper was using stats and personal instances that are from outside BD to criticize BD.

It;s amazing how many people confuse the servite apartments with brown deer. KC I used to play in those apartments as a kid, remember Jerome rucker? look him up. The guy who shot 6 people to the song bout it bout it by master P.

[KC3700]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

It;s amazing how many people confuse the servite apartments with brown deer. KC I used to play in those apartments as a kid, remember Jerome rucker? look him up. The guy who shot 6 people to the song bout it bout it by master P.

Servite is another place people mix up with Brown Deer. I keep on having to correct them abot it.

As bad as it is, it could be a lot worse. When Northridge was originally built, it was supposed to be ringed by apartment complexes like that. The only ones that were ever built were the ones on Servite and the ones on 85th.

I remember hearing something about that guy Rucker. I used to listen to Master P and I remember hearing something about that.

As messed up as Servite gets, it's still Mayberry compared to Ghetto Estates. The city 'tried' to turn that place around by renaming it, renaming that part of 91st and several other idiotic symbolic measures. Last time I checked it's still crime-ridden.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Vipre77

Yes, the police showed up. They searched the area between 60th & Dean down to 60th & Bradley for an hour and a half and found nothing. The first of the two shots fired was around 4:45AM. The second was roughly 10 minutes later. The police responded at 5:15. 20 minutes after it occurred. Obviously, those responsible aren't going to wait around 20 minutes for the police to show up.

Shooting - XX N 60TH STR AND W BRADLEY RD, MILWAUKEE, WI - 08/23/2009 05:14 AM

You're right. This isn't an everyday occurance, but it's certainly not the first time it's happened in the 4 years that we've lived here. It's not even the first time this year it's happened. Here's another shots fired incident just a month before.

Shooting - 77XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 07/24/2009 10:58 PM

And an assault & battery that occured same day as the more recent shooting I mentioned.

Assault - 79XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 08/23/2009 08:43 PM

And drug dealing on 8/5 and 8/13.

Arrest - 79XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 08/05/2009 07:39 PM

http://spotcrime.com/crime/5956285-87a84051d19c513c09c5a19d22d92af9

And thefts on 8/14 and 7/19:

Theft - 79XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 08/14/2009 09:45 PM

Theft - 78XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 07/19/2009 08:30 AM

Or maybe some "touble with subject" whatever that means. I'm guessing some kind of domestic disturbance. Got a couple of those, too.

Other - 79XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 07/24/2009 02:19 PM

Other - 79XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 08/21/2009 05:59 PM

Vandalism on 8/5 & 8/28:

Vandalism - 79XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 08/05/2009 10:24 PM

Vandalism - 78XX N 60TH STR, MILWAUKEE, WI - 08/28/2009 05:59 PM

Frankly, if you don't see any of this stuff going on around you, you must be blind. And please, stop with all the head-in-the-sand B.S. about how this is par for the course of living in the city. We should have higher standards for the communities we live in, regardless of the size or proximity to Milwaukee. Instead, you seem to be throwing up your arms and saying, "What are ya gonna do? It's the city. Deal with it." The answer to that question is to demand more from those that live around you. Expect better of them. And expect better of your elected officials.

No, you just apparently aren't opening your eyes wide enough. Not everything makes it into the papers because they have a budget on space to report police activity, so, as a result, they only put in the most selacious bits. Clearly, as a big-shot news anchor, Mr. Burgundy, you should know how the media works. Note the examples I've posted above. And those are just some of the reports from within several blocks of my house in the last two months.



Thanks! Glad I could make it. You mentioned you lived 4 blocks west of here. That means you're off one of the main north-south routes in town, so you obviously don't have to deal with this issue as much. Yes, that goes with the territory of living next to a busy street. That just means the police should be doing a better job of patrolling it. The problem is, with all the drug dealing, vandalism, assault & battery, and thefts to deal with, they simply have bigger fish to fry than to deal with noise disturbances.


Of course not "only in Brown Deer." I never made such assertions. However, consider this. The police very frequently sit behind my house on Dean Rd. monitoring traffic through the intersection. They are there almost every other day. On top of that, there are at two crossing guards working there every day before and after school when school is in session. You'd think that they'd try and keep the young 'uns in line when they are in direct view of my fenceline. And that goes for the trespassing and littering in my yard, too.

There was one day when the police finally decided to enforce this. They caught a kid hopping my neighbor's fence and they made him hop right back over it and walk all the way around the block instead of cutting through his yard and they followed him the whole way to make sure he did it. That was funny. Now if they'd only do this more regularly...


The school is right outside my bedroom window. It's hard not to notice it when I wake up in the morning. Not to mention that I drive past it on my way to work every weekday. Note that this is different than the police patrolling the intersection. When they are patrolling the intersection, they are usually on the Dean Rd facing west towards 60th St. Occasionally, they'll be on the opposite side of 60th St. facing east. When they are at the school, they pull around and sit in the horseshoe driveway of the school.

I've no idea the level of chaos inside the school itself. I don't care to find out either. Obviously, there's enough crap going on that they find the need to call the police in pretty regularly, though, and that's evidence enough for me.

As for test scores, MPS across the entire school district is a steaming pile of shyte. It doesn't matter where the kids are coming from because all of the schools in the district are crap. You won't catch my kids attending them. Ever. The district is simply too damn big. This creates far too much overhead. We keep throwing money at the problem, but there are simply too many administrators making too much money. Back to the KISS principle. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Break the district up into smaller groups. More of the money will go towards educating students instead of paying for administrative BS. It's gotten so bad that its to the point where new teachers don't want to come here, so we're stuck with older teachers that have essentially given up trying. On top of that, we as a community have too low of expectations for our children. We need to demand better. Look to schools like Homestead or Arrowhead if you want to see some of the best students in the area. Use these two schools as examples of how to do things right. I used to work in the admissions office at MSOE and the students I saw from these two schools regularly dominated everyone else in the area.


Here's a shocker for you. This is not good for city commerce when all the shoppers are going to other communities to spend their money. The Home Depot store that used to be on Good Hope Rd. found out the hard way that even if the same stores are here, the people would rather go elsewhere to shop. We'll see how the new Lowe's store fares, I guess. It never seems to be very busy. Nowhere near as busy as the Menards store over by the old mall, anyway. Reduced businesses means less sales tax revenue coming in, so that tax deficit needs to be made up somewhere. That "somewhere" is property taxes, permit fees, etc. My property taxes jumped almost 10% last year.

The only things Brown Deer has to attract people to come here are affordable housing and Brown Deer Park. Apart from those, there's no reason at all to come out here. It's several miles of city driving to get to any freeways and there's no worthwhile shopping or tourist destinations once you're here, so why stop unless you live here or you're visiting someone who does?


No, seriously... Open your eyes.

Milwaukee Crime Map - Showing Crime in Milwaukee, WI - Crime Statistics - Crime Alerts - Crime Stops Here

No, 84th & Oklahoma are not in West Allis. Beloit Rd. is the cut-off and that intersection is about 6-7 blocks away, which is, incidentally, further away than the "good neighborhoods in Brown Deer north of Brown Deer Rd." I'm only 3 blocks south of Brown Deer Rd. Looking at the website I've cited numerous times in this post, there appears to be somewhat fewer reports within the same radius over the same time period at my previous address. Oddly enough, one of the incidents reported appears to be coming from my old address. The new tenants must have some issues... Incidentally, that part of S. 84th St. is MUCH busier than the part of N. 60th St. I live by and we very rarely had issues with our apartment vibrating/windows rattling from loud stereos.

At any rate, this can mean several things, but only one is likely. Each town has good and bad parts, obviously. The distrubution of crimes is not uniform over the entire town, so it makes no sense to compare them that way unless you're talking about the overall levels of crime. Unfortunately, these figures you're clinging to are only useful to politicians and realtors. People who either don't actually live there, or people who don't care enough to distinguish the difference if it doesn't suit their argument. Ever hear of NIMBY? Not In My Back Yard. These sorts of statistics are great for you if you live in a part of town that's bringing the average down. But they mean a whole lot less when the crimes are still happening in your backyard. And this is the only time politicians ever seem to care. When it finally hits home for them.

As for Brookfield and Waukesha, I don't see how it really matters that they're "further removed from the scrum of the city." It's all metro-Milwaukee area. Due to the highway layout in this town, it's virtually the same travel time to get anywhere in the city from any of these places. Physical distance is less of a factor as travel times are generally comparable regardless of where you live. The only advantage Brown Deer would have is if I was trying to get to the northern burbs like Shorewood or Whitefolks Bay. And I've no idea where you get the idea that those communities are any less welcoming than Brown Deer. I've lived in all three and all are equal in this regard, at least in the neighborhoods I've lived in.

Again, cite all the statistics you want. They can be spun any number of ways to make them look favorable to your cause. My personal experience is that there's a lot more crime around me here than there has been at other places in the area that I've lived. Watch the news besides your own show, Mr. Burgundy, and you'll see that probably 3 out of 4 of the bad crimes being reported are on the north side of town. Not necessarily in Brown Deer, no, but it's still closer than I'd like. The fact is, you sometimes have to drive through these areas just to get to Brown Deer since there's no direct freeway routes. No matter which direction you're coming from, it's at least several miles of city driving to get to Brown Deer.

That they [the taxes] are, but that doesn't mean we should tolerate it. Yes, bigger cities have bigger operating costs. I realize that. But there are other ways this can be made up rather than taxing it's citizens to death in property taxes. Milwaukee County ranked 39th in the country as of 2007 in the category of property tax as percentage of value of the house.

The Tax Foundation - Property Tax on Owner-Occupied Housing, by County, Ranked by Property Taxes Paid*, 2005-2007 Average

As for the bathrooms in my house, yeah, it sucks. I was expecting to have more room after the remodeling we did when we bought the place, but it became cost prohibitive to do what we originally planned. We ended up just working with the existing room sizes and putting in new fixtures and flooring. We're going to try building our own place for the next house so we won't have to deal with that again. For this house, it almost seems like the designers laid out the floorplan and realized they forgot to put in bathrooms, so they just converted a couple of closets instead of doing a proper job of it. These bathrooms are like what you'd find in an efficiency apartment or maybe a Super 8 motel room, but the rest of the house is what I'd consider normal size for this style home. :shrug:


See evidence above.


Usually, yes, they are more because they are generally better neighborhoods with closer/better shopping or other local attractions. Prices aren't always higher, though. Deals can be found in any town if you shop around enough.

I think only the interstates are under state jurisdiction. Other roads are left up to the county in which they reside to maintain. City/Municipal roads are up to the municipality. Still, I don't care who maintains it. Just get it done. Our taxes pay for it one way or another. And I don't care if these roads are technically in Milwaukee, River Hills, or any other town. If I have to drive on them to get to my town, I want them fixed. Brown Deer Rd. and Good Hope Rd are the only exits from the freeway system to get to Brown Deer, so you're kind of stuck. I suspect the damage to my Mazda was caused either by the potholes on Brown Deer Rd. or by the construction that took forever at the intersection of 76th and Bradley. There was a huge bump there where they grated off the pavement that they didn't have marked for the longest time.


Bite me. Yeah, I know. Real mature, right. I don't care.


Right. And my perspective is that this town needs a LOT of work.

All of that stuff happened in Milwaukee, not Brown Deer. Brown Deer might be close by, but not of that happened in Brown Deer.