concealed carry (Denmark, Washington, Belgium: crime rates, unemployment, live)

[almost3am]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

That sounds like a cop-out to me, because I bet you don't have any credible evidence to cite.

I don't want to get in the middle of this, but I happen to know one case that supports the fact that the state doesn't really have to protect us. I was amazed I remember the name of the case, Castle Rock vs Gonzales...so I searched on NY Times and found this article in case you are interested.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po.../28scotus.html

The article cites a precident, which I just read about at the link below. It is interesting and very sad. Surprisingly, it happened here in WI:

DeShaney v. Winnebago County - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ccjarider]

jjac
Well, well an elitist is PO'd that someone disagrees with him. What a surprise.

I am glad that you have been fortunate in your life to allow you to harbor naive views. I hope your luck continues.

As for CC proponents, we do not go through life in fear. We travel, party, meet and help people and generally live life much the same as you.

I assure you, people like me are of no danger to you. The real bad guys are out there. I hope for your sake you do not have to experience them first hand. If you do, you will change your tune.

BTW, I hold double master degree's - MSEE and MBA. I don't think I am a stupid redneck but I sure am not a "liberal" (i.e. another word for naive)

[jjacobeclark]

Originally Posted by almost3am

I don't want to get in the middle of this, but I happen to know one case that supports the fact that the state doesn't really have to protect us. I was amazed I remember the name of the case, Castle Rock vs Gonzales...so I searched on NY Times and found this article in case you are interested.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po.../28scotus.html

The article cites a precident, which I just read about at the link below. It is interesting and very sad. Surprisingly, it happened here in WI:

DeShaney v. Winnebago County - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I appreciate you posting those articles, although you let ccjarider off the hook by doing so. Very interesting stuff, but not exactly contradictory to what I posted. The cases in those articles dealt specifically with the enforcement of court orders. The child in the WI case was given back to his abusive father. The woman in the CO case blamed the deaths of her daughters on the police for not enforcing her restraining order against her husband. Lots of husbands and wives have domestic squabbles in which the kids don't get killed. I bet if a stranger had kidnapped her three daughters there would have been an Amber Alert and every resource available would have been utilized to capture the guy.

Originally Posted by ccjarider

jjac
Well, well an elitist is PO'd that someone disagrees with him. What a surprise.

I am glad that you have been fortunate in your life to allow you to harbor naive views. I hope your luck continues.

As for CC proponents, we do not go through life in fear. We travel, party, meet and help people and generally live life much the same as you.

I assure you, people like me are of no danger to you. The real bad guys are out there. I hope for your sake you do not have to experience them first hand. If you do, you will change your tune.

BTW, I hold double master degree's - MSEE and MBA. I don't think I am a stupid redneck but I sure am not a "liberal" (i.e. another word for naive)

Meh.

[karfar]

I take issue w/calling liberals naive. I don't see how this can be a political issue, I know plenty of liberals who are for it & plenty of conservatives who are against it so I see it as a nonpartisan issue. I for one simply do not agree w/it, I see no need for it. There's already too many guns out there, we don't need more.

[ccjarider]

Karfar:
Sorry but I stand by the "naive" comment. It was a valid response to jjac's silly statement that people with 4 yr degree's tend to have "more liberal social views." Where did that come from??

It was a stupid, naive comment and deserved response - Merry Christmas!

Stay safe everyone. Protect yourself - no one else will!

[maiasaura]

Oh, for pity's sake -- all this whining about not having a pistol in your pocket. If a person isn't capable of dealing with problems moderately, they should put on their jammies and ask mommy to put on the night light. A concealed weapon should be the absolute LAST resort -- after caution, intelligent words and simple self-defense techniques have consistently failed. Milwaukee is the Land of the Lotus Eaters compared to other places I've been, and i've never seen an incident that a concealed handgun couldn't make WORSE.

Maiasaura

[Milwaukee City]

after caution, intelligent words and simple self-defense techniques have consistently failed. Milwaukee is the Land of the Lotus Eaters compared to other places I've been, and i've never seen an incident that a concealed handgun couldn't make WORSE.

Okay well you don't have to have a gun then and as long as your not trying to rob me then you have nothing to worry about. Obviously you haven't grown up in a bad neighborhood and where you don't time to explain yourself and reason with criminals you have a few seconds to react and thats it. Criminals have guns I don't and they know this. Like I said you have the freedom not to have a gun and as of right now I don't have the freedom to have a gun either but I would want the option.

[maiasaura]

Actually, I've spent a lot of time in some of the worst hellholes in this country -- from SF Mission District to Flatbush Brooklyn to Newark NJ. I'm a middle-class white lady, and you may be surprised to learn that I haven't been mugged, purse snatched, raped or carjacked -- ever. I've seen bad things and been in bad situations, but I've learned "Act like a victim, and you become a victim. Act like an ******* and you get reamed." Most of the badness I've seen was brought about by knuckle-headed action.

I have seen nothing that ever made me think "Hmm, sure wish I had a gun right now".

(P.S. Grammar is your FRIEND.)

[414Milwaukee]

if everybodys strapped then everybody has a equal chance

ahaha but i bet theres gonna be sum dumba**es that think theyre warren g and try to regulate sh*t

[NowOrNever]

Well let's see the good guys get the guns. If you are in a place where everyone has guns it's going to be hard to commit crime, that's why people go to Chicago where there are total gun bans and people are treated like slaves, where odds are 30 times more of getting your home broken into, and people their home and cars broken into when their in them.

If there is no gun control it makes it harder for the criminals to blatantly get their way and they are not going to stay in a place where they can't get what they want.

Criminals will be criminals. All gun control does is take the guns out of the good people's hands.