Racial Tensions in Milwaukee? (horse, racist, market)

[EnjoyEP]

Originally Posted by RomanInSF

Yes bigotry exists in whites, sure. How about black bigotry? Light-skinned vs dark-skinned bigotry? Want to talk about that? How about ignorant blacks calling highly educated, wealthy blacks "Uncle Toms"? Want to talk about that collosal form of ignorance?

Your entire argument is laughable I'm afraid. You have about as much credibility as a runaway slave.

How about black v. white bigotry? The dirty little secret in our society is that there is far more of that in today's society than white v. black. Brewtown should read some Larry Elder, an extremely intelligent black fellow / radio host in Los Angeles; however, I assume Brewtown would discredit Elder's blackness because he "thinks white."

[Alexus]

Originally Posted by brewtown12

So,a man lacked credibility if they chose to run away from slavery?They should have just stayed and accepted being held as anothers property?

Youre insane.

No, my friend. An escaped slave running through the backwoods of the south HAD ZERO CREDIBILITY among the southern whites. Again, you misinterpret.

[quijote]

Originally Posted by brewtown12

I dont want to oppress anyone.Thats a ridiculous statement,and no comment that i have ever posted here can in any way back up your absurd statement.

Actually, you've shown yourself to be so aggressive about your ideas and so unwilling to consider subtleties and details, that you are perfectly poised to become the sort of oppressor who puts his Truth before people.

And here is your rationale, in a nutshell:

1. White people have set up a dysfunctional system which either: (a) underemploys blacks or (b) refuses to employ them at all;

2. You want blacks to set up a self-contained economy within the larger "white" economy;

3. Therefore you want the black economy to imitate the dysfunctional white economy. The only thing different is that blacks will employ blacks, so item (b) above will not apply. Only item (a) will.

Your "solution" does little to unite blacks. You're only paying attention to race, and not to other factors. In effect, your "idea" is only as good as the dream it resides in. It doesn't address crucial issues.

[brewtown12]

Originally Posted by EnjoyEP

How about black v. white bigotry? The dirty little secret in our society is that there is far more of that in today's society than white v. black."

Wheres the proof?


Studies?

Research?



Links?


Is this supposed widespread black bigotry denying whites jobs,loans,charging them more for the same services/items etc?

Are whites over represented in prisons,poverty and underemployment,while blacks prosper?

Have blacks set up a justice system that unfairly gives whites stiffer penalties for crimes?

Ride around town,in any city in the country.Who,for the most part,is in poverty ridden,impoverished neighborhoods.Whites?

[brewtown12]

Actually, you've shown yourself to be so aggressive about your ideas and so unwilling to consider subtleties and details, that you are perfectly poised to become the sort of oppressor who puts his Truth before people.

Im unwilling to hear details that ignore the root cause of black/white disparity....which is discrimination from prejudice/racist whites.Im not perfectly poised to oppress anyone,unlike white america,i believe that oppression is evil,destructive to society as a whole,and that it should be done away with.

And here is your rationale, in a nutshell:

1. White people have set up a dysfunctional system which either: (a) underemploys blacks or (b) refuses to employ them at all;

This is not merely my ''rationale'' its a true fact,which can be backed by countless studies,agreement by the majority of blacks,and a long history of white oppression of blacks.

2. You want blacks to set up a self-contained economy within the larger "white" economy;

I dont want anyone ''shut off'' from the rest of society.I just want us to do for us what whites will never do-set up an infrastructure that does not give us second class,unfair treatment.Which means that we will have to do t ourselves.

3. Therefore you want the black economy to imitate the dysfunctional white economy. The only thing different is that blacks will employ blacks, so item (b) above will not apply. Only item (a) will.

The dysfunctional white economy is not dysfunctional to whites,because it gives them preference.It is dysfunctional to blacks because it gives us sub human treatment.I believe that blacks should not be content with this,doing nothing about it because whites and a few blacks will think we are wrong for wanting to empower ourselves.

Your "solution" does little to unite blacks. You're only paying attention to race, and not to other factors. In effect, your "idea" is only as good as the dream it resides in. It doesn't address crucial issues.

On the contrary,my solution would do alot to unite blacks.Im not only paying attention to race,Im paying attention to all factors.Unfortunately,in the white labor market,race is the most important thing,as proven by the fact that white criminals get preference over blacks with no record and equal qualifications.As long as this institutionalized bias is in place,no mattter what,blacks will always be under whites,because even a ''bad'' white is considered superior to a ''good'' black.

The differnce between me and you all is that you all believe that blacks themselves are the biggest factor as to why whites are so far ahead of blacks economicaly.

If this were so,then whites with criminal records would have a harder time getting employed than blacks without them.This would mean that employers focus more on personal behavior than race.Its just not true in America.

Youre all racists who want blacks to continue to be oppressed,and you view any ideas that could destroy this as a threat.You all want things to stay the same.

[brewtown12]

Originally Posted by RomanInSF

No, my friend. An escaped slave running through the backwoods of the south HAD ZERO CREDIBILITY among the southern whites. Again, you misinterpret.

The southern whites themselves had zero credibility because they were insane.Credibility is merit,the worth of ones word.If you believe that you have the right to own another human,your words arent worth much to me and other sane people,white black or otherwise.

[Alexus]

Originally Posted by brewtown12

The southern whites themselves had zero credibility because they were insane.Credibility is merit,the worth of ones word.If you believe that you have the right to own another human,your words arent worth much to me and other sane people,white black or otherwise.

I'm not talking about the credibility of the white slaveowners from your perspective. You are.

Viewed from the perspective of the very ignorant southern white slaveowners, the slave had no credibility. This was my point, but apparently you require a tutor to get it. I can't believe it requires an explanation. But you don't seek to understand others here, just disagree. You have entirely missed the thrust of my message. It's gone way over your head. I don't take seriously any man who can't understand and acknowledge another person's point of view, even if you don't entirely agree with it.

I'd like to know what you do AGREE with, from the statements I made. I'm strictly speaking of ignorant blacks. I'll get to ignorant whites in Milwaukee later.

[quijote]

Originally Posted by brewtown12

I dont want anyone ''shut off'' from the rest of society.I just want us to do for us what whites will never do-set up an infrastructure that does not give us second class,unfair treatment.Which means that we will have to do t ourselves.

If you only plan to imitate the white economic structure, then you won't see much change. So far, you haven't offered any ideas on what you would do differently. Replacing the "old bosses" with the "new bosses" isn't much of an accomplishment. It will LOOK different because of skin color, but it won't really be different because the relations between people won't necessarily be any different.

The dysfunctional white economy is not dysfunctional to whites,because it gives them preference.

You obviously know little about this topic. People who are perceived as "white trash" are highly discriminated against. You will refuse to believe it, but many rich white people do not see poor whites as a preferred group.

On the contrary,my solution would do alot to unite blacks.Im not only paying attention to race,Im paying attention to all factors.

No you're not--after several pages of messages, you still haven't addressed the other factors. There's a difference between saying you're doing it and actually doing it.

The differnce between me and you all is that you all believe that blacks themselves are the biggest factor as to why whites are so far ahead of blacks economicaly.

Actually, no. Whites are so far ahead of blacks economically because the predominant economic system in the western world (capitalism) was developed over the course of centuries by whites (primarily in England, Germany, France, and then the U.S.).

It may shock you to know this, but rich whites exploited poor whites long before blacks got into the picture. And by the time blacks entered the scene, whites had already begun using Native Americans to advantage. There are many factors that explain the ascent of whites; a simplistic explanation is not sufficient.

Youre all racists who want blacks to continue to be oppressed,and you view any ideas that could destroy this as a threat.You all want things to stay the same.

And this is the sort of garbage that makes you no better than an Oppressor. Are you 8 years old? It sounds like you're in the schoolyard, yelling irrational accusations at people. Grow up. You're not ready to be a role model for anyone.

What you are promoting is essentially "separate but equal." That makes you no better than the racists of the Jim Crow era. Shame on you.

[brewtown12]

Originally Posted by RomanInSF

Viewed from the perspective of the very ignorant southern white slaveowners, the slave had no credibility. \.

Why are you viewing things from the perspective of southern white slave owners?

You have about as much credibility as a runaway slave

[brewtown12]

You obviously know little about this topic. People who are perceived as "white trash" are highly discriminated against. You will refuse to believe it, but many rich white people do not see poor whites as a preferred group.

Although still prefered over qualified,non criminal blacks.

No you're not--after several pages of messages, you still haven't addressed the other factors. There's a difference between saying you're doing it and actually doing it.

The other factors involve personal responsability.Blacks are not responsable for discrimination.I would like to remove unfair bias,and then let character and qualifications be the deciding factor.which can only happen when blacks are not dependant upon whites for employment.

What you are promoting is essentially "separate but equal." That makes you no better than the racists of the Jim Crow era. Shame on you.

Im more concerned with the welfare of my people than upholding some false intergration propaganda.America does not offer blacks equal treatment,and the country is still segragated..Theres nothing wrong with blacks depending on each other instead of racist,oppressive whites.Ill dare you compare someone who wants to see blacks prosper,causing no ill effect to whites,to the racists of the Jim Crow era,or the racists of todays era.I dont want to see anyone oppressed because of the color of thier skin,on the contrary,id like to see every human get what should come naturally-fair and humane treatment.I suppose you would have been one of the racists that destroyed black wall street because blacks were ''racist'' for doing for themselves and prospering instead of being content with depending on bigots for employment.