Milwaukee comparable to which midwestern city? (Cleveland, Buffalo: low crime, hotels, houses)

[tjschmi]

Milwaukee is my hometown and it is like a mini-Chicago. It has a great skyline and a pretty big pop. of 602,000 people. Although St. Louis has more crime, Milwaukee reminds me of it because it has very high murder rates ect. just like St.Louis.

[Empidonax]

Originally Posted by tjschmi

Milwaukee is my hometown and it is like a mini-Chicago. It has a great skyline and a pretty big pop. of 602,000 people. Although St. Louis has more crime, Milwaukee reminds me of it because it has very high murder rates ect. just like St.Louis.

The murder rate (per 100,000) for St. Louis is way higher than that of Milwaukee.

For 2005, 2006, and 2007, St. Louis' rate has been 37.9, 37.2, and 39.6 respectively.

For the same years, Milwaukee's rate has been 20.6, 17.7, and 18.3.

Nothing to boast about (unless you happen to like murders), but there's a significant difference in the rates (and trends).

The data come from this very website:

http://www.city-data.com/city/St.-Louis-Missouri.html

http://www.city-data.com/city/Milwaukee-Wisconsin.html

[Ron Burgundy]

There were 71 murders in Milwaukee in 2008. With a 602K population, that puts the '08 rate at about 11.8 per 100,000, a significant improvement.

[Central Illinois 1]

STL definitely has more of a southern feel than Milwaukee. However, in the overall scheme of things, the areas are comparable in many respects. Cleveland also seemed very similar to Milwaukee. Dialect wise, Milwaukee is probably most similar to Minneapolis. I don't see how you can compare Milwaukee or any other midwestern city with Chicago though. Chicago is a huge city that has significant global prominance. The same cannot be said for any other midwestern city.

[Fishtacos]

Originally Posted by quijote

The murder rate (per 100,000) for St. Louis is way higher than that of Milwaukee.

For 2005, 2006, and 2007, St. Louis' rate has been 37.9, 37.2, and 39.6 respectively.

For the same years, Milwaukee's rate has been 20.6, 17.7, and 18.3.

Nothing to boast about (unless you happen to like murders), but there's a significant difference in the rates (and trends).

The data come from this very website:

http://www.city-data.com/city/St.-Louis-Missouri.html

http://www.city-data.com/city/Milwaukee-Wisconsin.html

Those numbers are skewed greatly because St. Louis County is not included in those stats. St. Louis County is amongst the safest Nationally. You have to look a little deeper at those numbers.

I've lived in both, and both have some very rough areas, generally isolated to a specific part or specific few parts of town while most of the rest of the area is generally very safe. The same can be said for Chicago too.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Fishtacos

Those numbers are skewed greatly because St. Louis County is not included in those stats. St. Louis County is amongst the safest Nationally. You have to look a little deeper at those numbers.

St. Louis County is not included because the stats are for St. Louis proper. The Milwaukee stats don't include the rest of Milwaukee County either.

[Fishtacos]

Originally Posted by Central Illinois 1

STL definitely has more of a southern feel than Milwaukee. However, in the overall scheme of things, the areas are comparable in many respects. Cleveland also seemed very similar to Milwaukee. Dialect wise, Milwaukee is probably most similar to Minneapolis. I don't see how you can compare Milwaukee or any other midwestern city with Chicago though. Chicago is a huge city that has significant global prominance. The same cannot be said for any other midwestern city.

St. Louis is a Midwestern city in feel, but is more Northern, and Eastern, than Southern. Compared to Milwaukee it may feel more Southern, but not generally speaking, no. St. Louis is very different from other parts of Missouri, some parts of which are more Southern in feel. From a dialect perspective, St. Louis has more of a variety of dialect than Milwaukee.

People can compare some parts of Chicago or some aspects of Chicago to Milwaukee, sure. That's because there are several similarities to go along with several differences too.

[Ron Burgundy]

Originally Posted by Fishtacos

Those numbers are skewed greatly because St. Louis County is not included in those stats. St. Louis County is amongst the safest Nationally. You have to look a little deeper at those numbers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but St. Louis County is completely independent of the city of St Louis, correct? That would be like saying throw out the numbers for the city of Milwaukee and just look at Ozaukee County. I get your point, yeah most people aren't going to move directly into the battle zone, but the numbers for the city are still relevant. Especially to those who choose to live in those cities.

[Fishtacos]

Originally Posted by Drover

St. Louis County is not included because the stats are for St. Louis proper. The Milwaukee stats don't include the rest of Milwaukee County either.

In other locales, parts of the county would be considered parts of the city. St. Louis is listed as 62 square miles in those stats vs 96 miles for Milwaukee.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Fishtacos

In other locales, parts of the county would be considered parts of the city.

What?

Originally Posted by Fishtacos

St. Louis is listed as 62 square miles in those stats vs 96 miles for Milwaukee.

What's your point?