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Old 12-15-2010, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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No idea. I could easily see it growing to 450,000 in the next 20 years though.
Perhaps, but one thing MPLS has against it (or in my opinion, for it) is the weather. The weather is enough of a factor to keep most would-be transplants away unless there is an absolute reason to move here (job, family), or if MPLS became a more all-around vibrant city such as Chicago.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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Why?
Because when people move into the area, they have a choice between the two. It is not like they are suburbs of each other, they are two distinct cities. I never understood why St. Paul never tried to build itself up to compete with MPLS.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Columbus OH
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Perhaps, but one thing MPLS has against it (or in my opinion, for it) is the weather. The weather is enough of a factor to keep most would-be transplants away unless there is an absolute reason to move here (job, family), or if MPLS became a more all-around vibrant city such as Chicago.
Interesting comment from someone who's from Portland Maine!

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if both Minneapolis and St Paul continue to increase in population. Younger people are increasingly electing to live in areas that are more walkable, have lower need for cars, along with preferring to rent rather than buy. All of these factors should allow the central cities (and many inner ring suburbs) to attract a higher rate of the population increase than happened during the past decades.

Another factor will be the price of gasoline--if this increases to $4.00 per gallon, this will cause a further increase.

Regarding the weather--winter is clearly a major negative, but our winters have been much milder in the past 10 years than when I was growing up in the '70s. I also think that people who hate dealing with winter driving will be more likely to want to live where they can take the bus or LRT (or walk). Of course, this advantage is offset by the problems with on-street parking in dense neighborhoods like Uptown.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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I think the weather is a disadvantage, but there are also enough other advantages that will continue to draw people; MplsTodd's points about people preferring to live in urban neighborhoods (and the increasing popularity of that choice) is a good one, and should benefit Minneapolis. Nice city neighborhoods in Minneapolis are a relative bargain compared to such neighborhoods in many other cities, and the school district quite good (no, not all schools within the district, but the school stress factor here is NOTHING like what it is in many cities). Minneapolis is a good deal for those who want city living, lots of cultural amenities, decent schools, etc. It's a very livable city, and while the winters are tough, there are enough positives to counteract that, at least for many would-be residents.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Home in NOMI
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Will Mpls ever see 500,00 again? Not until the new Vikings stadium goes through... of course if it doesn't, we'll be 42 loser millionaires poorer.
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Downtown St. Paul
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Because when people move into the area, they have a choice between the two. It is not like they are suburbs of each other, they are two distinct cities. I never understood why St. Paul never tried to build itself up to compete with MPLS.
It did try. It lost. It's last huge effort was during the 80's but the major projects like the retail centers in the WTC and Galtier failed. By the late 90's most of the big powerhouse law firms left for downtown Minneapolis.

St. Paul will also never have the building heights like those in Minneapolis due to height restrictions because of the airport.

But with the Xcel Center and the light rail coming, things are slowly changing.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Like uptown_urbanist eluded to, Minneapolis/St. Paul is one of the few inner cities that have most of the key elements of urban living with relatively few of the usual setbacks; like schools, crime, grit, etc. There are cities in this country where people prefer to be in the core: Chicago, San Francisco, NYC, Boston, DC, New Orleans, Phoenix (joking!), etc., and Minneapolis has the potential to be a city where people think of its core before its metropolitain region. For intance, I know if I move to Cleveland, Dallas, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Houston or Charlotte, I am not anticipating a cosmopolitain urban lifestyle, but if I moved to NYC or San Francisco that would be the first thing I'd think of.

We're lightyears away from this, but we DO have the resources to make it happen -- moreso than many similarly-sized cities.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Why?
You have two cities next to each other. My theory is that while one city will be the pick, the other city will still have residents moving in, thus, stemming the rise of population.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:34 PM
 
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Interesting comment from someone who's from Portland Maine!

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if both Minneapolis and St Paul continue to increase in population. Younger people are increasingly electing to live in areas that are more walkable, have lower need for cars, along with preferring to rent rather than buy. All of these factors should allow the central cities (and many inner ring suburbs) to attract a higher rate of the population increase than happened during the past decades.

Another factor will be the price of gasoline--if this increases to $4.00 per gallon, this will cause a further increase.

Regarding the weather--winter is clearly a major negative, but our winters have been much milder in the past 10 years than when I was growing up in the '70s. I also think that people who hate dealing with winter driving will be more likely to want to live where they can take the bus or LRT (or walk). Of course, this advantage is offset by the problems with on-street parking in dense neighborhoods like Uptown.
I like walkable areas. More are needed.

And Mpls' climate would actually attract me. I want to make it a goal this winter to vist St. Paul for the Winter Carnival. I have some family in Mpls, so I might not have to worry about hotels. I don't drive and walking around in the snow doesn't bother me.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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Perhaps, but one thing MPLS has against it (or in my opinion, for it) is the weather. The weather is enough of a factor to keep most would-be transplants away unless there is an absolute reason to move here (job, family), or if MPLS became a more all-around vibrant city such as Chicago.
True, both Chicago and MSP can have pretty long cold seasons, but I was more inclined to get out and do things (and be more interested in the area) because of an extensive public transit system that wasn't limited to the core urban area. Given the choice and freedom today I might choose Chicago, but having neither I guess I'll add myself to the push to 500k.
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