Should the Twin Cities separate from Minnesota? (Minneapolis, St. Paul: sales, to buy)

[ho hey!]

I think Twin Cities is what makes Minnesota...Minnesota.

[trackstar13]

This is crazy, I grew up in Pittsburgh, which is in the western portion of Pennsylvania, and borders Ohio and West Virginia. Well Philadelphia, which is about 5 hours+ away from Pittsburgh to the east borders New Jersey and Delaware. So yes the cities are completely different. There is even a different dialect in each city. For instance, a person from Pittsburgh might say "How yinz doing?" When a person from Philadelphia might say "How youse doing?" Oh and central Pennsylvania is Amish country and Penn State so maybe we should divide Pennsylvania into three states. Why do people have this idea that the Twin Cities are so different from the rest of the state? Yes there is less diversity in the rural areas of Minnesota, but what state has extensive diversity in the rural areas? This is a bad plan and Minneapolis and St. Paul are probably more different than the Twin Cities vs. the whole state.

[Voyageur]

And even if this happened, it'd be back to square one.

Rochester? Not very much like SW Minnesota... or Brainerd... or the North Shore.

[Kid Cann]

Wow, weird for people to get all defensive by saying "why?" and "must be a slow day".

This is what this forum is for. So go back to posting your 2 posts a week and zip your lips. Obviously it's just for fun and obviously none of you have ever ventured to anyother threads than 'Minnesota' or 'Minneapolis-St. Paul'

Flyingwritier-

I think it's pretty much like that now, unofficially. People from the Twin Cities really don't care about what small town in the middle of nowhere you grew up in. It's rare for people who were born and riased in the Twin Cities to move out to a Greater MN town. The Twin Cities are like this vortex that sucks everyone into the cities. And why not? The Cities have the jobs, the entertainment, the fun, the education, the health care, the Twin Cities has it all and Greater MN is just a place to visit.

To change a few things. I don't know why Mankato would be the Capital. Yikes, wouldn't you think Duluth or Rochester should be? Duluth is already a County Seat, the second largest metro in the state and pretty much the Capital of Northern Minnesota.

Major universities - Well Greater MN would have Gustavus, St. Olaf (maybe), St. John's too.

[MinnesotaTwins]

The Twin Cities are very distinct from Greater Minnesota. They have most of the state's population, much more diversity and a very cosmopolitan feel. To me, they don't seem to fit with the rest of the state, which is very rural, isolated and northern (not that the Cities aren't "northern").

Could the Metro (Hennepin, Ramsey, Dakota, Scott, Carver, Washington and Anoka counties) make it as its own state, apart from Minnesota?

Haha, even the new Twin Cities state would still be polarized; Anoka, Washington, and Carve counties are some of the most conservative counties in MN. Politically, the more rural areas are much more moderate while the non-first ring suburbs are where most of the conservatism is in the state.

There's no way this is happening. Other states have much sharper divides between rural and urban areas and none of those are splitting up either. MN is actually fairly homogenous around the state in terms of culture. Honestly, walk around a residential neighborhood in Hastings vs Anoka vs Cloquet vs Rochester vs East Grand Forks vs Virginia and you won't really notice much difference culturally.

What, in your opinion, constitues a 'premier' state, as you have put it? What specifically makes Minnesota 'premier' and Nebraska and North Dakota 'just another'?

The OP just has some superiority complex and thinks because we're "liberal" and "progressive" we're somehow better than others.

[Orangeish]

I'm all for it if it somehow equates to the Twins losing A DARN GAME

<---angry whitesox fan

[marmac]

Originally Posted by Kid Cann

Wow, weird for people to get all defensive by saying "why?" and "must be a slow day".

This is what this forum is for. So go back to posting your 2 posts a week and zip your lips. Obviously it's just for fun and obviously none of you have ever ventured to anyother threads than 'Minnesota' or 'Minneapolis-St. Paul'

Flyingwritier-

I think it's pretty much like that now, unofficially. People from the Twin Cities really don't care about what small town in the middle of nowhere you grew up in. It's rare for people who were born and riased in the Twin Cities to move out to a Greater MN town. The Twin Cities are like this vortex that sucks everyone into the cities. And why not? The Cities have the jobs, the entertainment, the fun, the education, the health care, the Twin Cities has it all and Greater MN is just a place to visit.

To change a few things. I don't know why Mankato would be the Capital. Yikes, wouldn't you think Duluth or Rochester should be? Duluth is already a County Seat, the second largest metro in the state and pretty much the Capital of Northern Minnesota.

Major universities - Well Greater MN would have Gustavus, St. Olaf (maybe), St. John's too.

Regarding your first 2 sentences............I probably post on a lot more forums than you.

Yes, I was the one who stated....... must be a slow day.... and after reading the OP again , I will change it to -------must really be a slow day.

[laxster]

I'm sorry, but this is a very silly proposition. Many states have very distinct differences. In fact, for those who don't seem to understand one iota of US History, they don't get the concept of a State. A State is literally, a country. The United States essentially means we are independent micro-nations that are United. In fact, if you read our history, people refered to the United States as "these United States" for quite sometime.

The Constitution also upholds this view of States, with the 10th Amendment "stating" that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

[QuantumIguana]

US Constitution, Article IV, Section 3: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Yes, it is POSSIBLE that the Twin Cities could become a state, but it would require the approval of the State of Minnesota and of Congress. Unlikely to happen even if the people of the Twin Cities wanted it.

The states are not independent countries. They might have been under the Articles of Confederation, but not under the Constitution. The 10th Amendment is no indication that the states are countries. You are confusing a sovereign state with a federated state. A federated state is part of a sovereign State. Minnesota, for example, is a federated state, while the USA is a sovereign state.

The Constitution reserves some powers to the federated states, but they lack much of the power that a sovereign state would have. For example, the Constitution doesn't allow the states to make treaties or coin their own money.

[future_minneapolitan]

Originally Posted by MinnesotaTwins

Haha, even the new Twin Cities state would still be polarized; Anoka, Washington, and Carve counties are some of the most conservative counties in MN.

Actually, Washington county voted 52% for Barack Obama in 2008, while there were 45 counties in Minnesota that went for McCain. So clearly it is not one of the most conservative in the state. Just saying.