MN Vikings Terrible Monday Night 40-14 Performance. (Arco: middle-class, loans)

[Norsky1]

Originally Posted by audadvnc

And this is the team that wants us to shell out how many mega millions to build them a new stadium?

Quoted for future reference. When the Vikings can no longer play in the metrodome and are forced to move (hopefully not to L.A.) and we don't have a pro football team, I don't want to see a single thread about how you are upset that our taxes have to be raised (more than whatever it would be for a stadium bill) due to the lack of revenue that was brought in from the Vikings.

[Mark_22]

With all the aging players and pending free agents, it looks like we're in for some rebuilding years. Trouble is, once the team gets its bearings again Peterson may well be an old man in running back years. So that begs the question - should the Vikes try to pull off a Herschel Walker in reverse trade while AP is still in his prime? I am not necessarily advocating this - just throwing it out there for discussion.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Mark_22

With all the aging players and pending free agents, it looks like we're in for some rebuilding years. Trouble is, once the team gets its bearings again Peterson may well be an old man in running back years. So that begs the question - should the Vikes try to pull off a Herschel Walker in reverse trade while AP is still in his prime? I am not necessarily advocating this - just throwing it out there for discussion.

First off, no team would be stupid enough to make a trade even remotely as big as the Herschel Walker trade. Also, Adrian Peterson is younger and much better than Herschel was at the time of the trade. I say we hold onto AP as long as we can. He should have 3-5 solid years left in him. If we want any chance of having an effective offense next year, skill position players like Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin are going to be a necessity.

[Ghengis]

Good chance my Vikings can still move up in the draft unless they do something unusual (like win a game) these next two weeks.

new teams for us to chase down and their remaining schedules...

(4 - 10) Buffalo ...... New England, @ New York Jets
(4 - 10) Detroit ...... @ Miami, Minnesota
(4 - 10) Arizona ...... Dallas, @ San Francisco
(3 - 11) Denver ...... Houston, San Diego
(3 - 11) Cincinnati ... San Diego, @ Baltimore
(2 - 12) Carolina ..... @ Pittsburgh, @ Atlanta



My preferences for next year...

• they draft a young Joe Montana or Tom Brady type QB
• pick up some defensive backs and offensive linemen in the later rounds
• spend free agent money like there's no tomorrow
• lower the price of beer
• get the dome ready by next saeson.

Realistically, I'm not holding out much hope for that last one.

[MN55]

First of all the good news: The atmoshphere at the game was amazingly great! Ten times better than the best game at the Metrodome. I think this is proof that WHEN we build a new stadium it must be OUTDOORS with NO ROOF.

Bad News: Our team sucks and we won't be good for awhile. Hopefully we can draft a top QB in the first round next year and build around him. I personally want Mallett but theres a number of potential prospects out there that I'd be happy with. Ricky Stanzi? I'm still pissed we passed on McCoy last year - just another sign of Childress' incompetence.

[northstar22]

Brady was a sixth round pick. First round QBs rarely work out. In fact, of QBs drafted in the first round since 2000, most have been total busts! Here's the breakdown:

Stars
1) Philip Rivers
2) Eli Manning
3) Ben Roethlisberger
4) Michael Vick
5) Aaron Rodgers

Solid Starters
1) Jay Cutler
2) Mark Sanchez
3) Carson Palmer
4) Matt Ryan

Total Busts
1) Jamarcus Russell
2) Jason Campbell
3) David Carr
4) Joey Harrington
5) J.P. Losman
6) Matt Leinart
7) Alex Smith
8) Rex Grossman
9) Brady Quinn
10) Byron Leftwich
11) Patrick Ramsey
12) Vince Young

I really don't like those odds.

[AFH]

Originally Posted by kazoopilot

Brady was a sixth round pick. First round QBs rarely work out. In fact, of QBs drafted in the first round since 2000, most have been total busts! Here's the breakdown:

Stars
1) Philip Rivers
2) Eli Manning
3) Ben Roethlisberger
4) Michael Vick
5) Aaron Rodgers

Solid Starters
1) Jay Cutler
2) Mark Sanchez
3) Carson Palmer
4) Matt Ryan

Total Busts
1) Jamarcus Russell
2) Jason Campbell
3) David Carr
4) Joey Harrington
5) J.P. Losman
6) Matt Leinart
7) Alex Smith
8) Rex Grossman
9) Brady Quinn
10) Byron Leftwich
11) Patrick Ramsey
12) Vince Young

I really don't like those odds.

9 out of 21 isn't rarely. Almost half the starting QBs in the NFL are first-round draft choices. First-rounders work out more often that those drafter in other rounds. Hall of Fame Quarterbacks drafted in the 6th round are indeed rare, however.

First-round is almost a 50-50 proposition. Second round is a long-shot. Third and beyond is a complete longshot.

There's a reason half the Super Bowl rings worn by winning NFL/AFL QBs are on the fingers of first-round draft choices.

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by MN55

First of all the good news: The atmoshphere at the game was amazingly great! Ten times better than the best game at the Metrodome. I think this is proof that WHEN we build a new stadium it must be OUTDOORS with NO ROOF.

Great perspective and thanks for the report. I would prefer a movable roof stadium to take advantage of football weather and have a year-round venue when needed (Super Bowl, NCAA Basketball) but realize the political climate will make that extra $200M (plus?) a tough sell.

Also realize that the movable roof would likely remain unmoved (and closed) during the winter and what you experienced last night, can never be duplicated indoors. The Vikings have long stated that they would prefer an outdoor stadium.

[Sarimn00]

I loved that the game was outside. It was fun to watch in that respect. My favorite part of the game was seeing Bud Grant and all the greats out on the field.

Joe Webb is a 3rd string, rookie qb and may not have been the best player last night, but at least he TRIED. He had a little heart. There was a whole lot of players that looked like they didn't even want to show up for the game, which has seemed to be going on all season long.

[audadvnc]

Originally Posted by Norsky1

I don't want to see a single thread about how you are upset that our taxes have to be raised (more than whatever it would be for a stadium bill) due to the lack of revenue that was brought in from the Vikings.

Let's get more general. Shouldn't every business owner get taxpayer funding to build a new store, factory, or warehouse, merely because he may bring in future revenues to the city? Shouldn't every homeowner get taxpayer funding to build or rehab their home, because it will increase the value of the property?

If not, why single out a sports team for preferential treatment?