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[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by HiFi

I would just say that the types who tend to be intolerant are more concentrated in urban centers than in the suburbs. That's not to say that they are very concentrated anywhere, just more so in one place than the other

Do you have a link to some data that will back up this claim? It seems like a rather bold statement and I am wondering what you based it on.

[HiFi]

I just based it on common knowledge Glenfield. Stereotypes granted, but they continue to prove true.
No one funds research that spells out such ugly realities as these. That the majority of racists are immigrants, that the majority of homophobics are minorities. And no one needs data, you simply have to walk around with your ears open, and in some neighborhoods...prepare to be offended.

It is a matter of culture, western mainstream culture is post racial, post homophobic. Asian cultures are not, getto culture is not.

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by HiFi

Well by intolerant I don't just mean strongly disagrees with but being incapable or unwilling to allow opposing views. It is an 'us vs them' mentality. The chronically poor and uneducated and also some immigrant communities from socially backwards cultures are really the only places you consistently see those types of narrow and intolerant world views. And those types tend to be in the city centers.

You can also find those attitudes ... sometimes ... in smaller rural towns.

[dravogadro]

Originally Posted by HiFi

I just based it on common knowledge Glenfield. Stereotypes granted, but they continue to prove true.
No one funds research that spells out such ugly realities as these. That the majority of racists are immigrants, that the majority of homophobics are minorities. And no one needs data, you simply have to walk around with your ears open, and in some neighborhoods...prepare to be offended.

It is a matter of culture, western mainstream culture is post racial, post homophobic. Asian cultures are not, getto culture is not.

Oh no! What are we going to do about all those gay people of color? Oh, wait, must not exist.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by HiFi

I just based it on common knowledge Glenfield. Stereotypes granted, but they continue to prove true.
No one funds research that spells out such ugly realities as these. That the majority of racists are immigrants, that the majority of homophobics are minorities. And no one needs data, you simply have to walk around with your ears open, and in some neighborhoods...prepare to be offended.

It is a matter of culture, western mainstream culture is post racial, post homophobic. Asian cultures are not, getto culture is not.

Well, often there are opinion polls etc. and academic studies into these sorts of questions. I thought you might have come across something on that order that might support your conclusion.

See, I'm afraid that, personally, I don't find your use of racist stereotypes to be particularly persuasive. I don't understand how in one sentence you say that "western mainstream culture is post racial" and then in the next sentence you classify people as homophobic based on their race, as you have done here. It kind of has an old fashioned white superiority air to it. Or are, you saying that you are not a part of western mainstream culture?

[HiFi]

I didn't call anyone racist or homophobic. I said racism is still prevalent in mainstream Asian cultures, a simple fact. Homophobia is still prevalent in mainstream ghetto culture, a simple fact. Do you deny that?

[HiFi]

Originally Posted by dravogadro

Oh no! What are we going to do about all those gay people of color? Oh, wait, must not exist.

You do realize that the majority of the 'people of color' in this country are part of western mainstream culture?
And of those in first generation immigrant and getto cultures, they still largely hold progressive values on these issues, but the fact remains that racism and homophobia are serious problems in those cultures, more so than in ours.

[golfgal]

Enough bickering please

[stolafs69]

I think part of the issue is that people define racism or homophobia differently. Just because you may support the marriage amendment banning gay marriage for religious reasons (like many black churches), some people may say you are a homophobe, which may not be true. Another classic one is that a person will point out that statistically, black people have kids out of wedlock at a much higher rate then any other race and these single parent households lead to poverty and poor education performance. But some black people call a person who makes this point a "racist."

Also using stereotypes don't makes you a racist by default. Saying that Hispanic people have a higher percent chance of being an illegal immigrant or black students have higher percent chance of not graduating high school may be a stereotype, but I wouldn't say you are racist. But the liberals love to call anyone who says anything bad about a minority (even if its statistically true) a "racist." That part of the whole problem, once we start identifying people who identify the problems certain groups have as "racist", how can we ever fix the problems? Even Bill Cosby has identified problems within his own race and has been called all sorts of bad names.