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Old 05-08-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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No, I am not. I am demonstrating that your statement that there were 20-30 kids in Southwest's IB program was wildly inaccurate. Nice try at changing the subject from your error, though. So, we get that retraction now?
Run the numbers yourself....starting with those numbers are only for seniors and only the full IB students that passed the test so starting with 7.9% of the senior class...then work from there...


Just reread the IB link Glenfield posted--there are 250 juniors and seniors in the IB classes, so if you take half those kids for each grade, 125 each, using USNWR numbers, that #1 ranking is based on 51 kids, not 88 at SW--wow, there is a representative sample of the school....not....

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Old 05-08-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: South Minneapolis
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88 kids at Southwest passed an IB test....according to USSWR that is..feel free to run the numbers yourself
Wow! How can that be if there are only "20 or 30" kids in the program? Something doesn't add up here... What could be wrong with these numbers. Hmmm....
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: South Minneapolis
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Run the numbers yourself....starting with those numbers are only for seniors and only the full IB students that passed the test so starting with 7.9% of the senior class...then work from there...
You simply cannot admit that you made a mistake, can you? You said there were 20-30 kids in the program. You were wrong. There. I said it for you. Case closed.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:32 PM
 
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88 kids at Southwest passed an IB test....according to USSWR that is..feel free to run the numbers yourself
Perhaps my Minneapolis Public Schools education has failed me, but I was under the impression that 88 is higher than 20 or 30.

As for some of the other comments, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the IB program. The 7.3 % was the percentage of high school seniors attempting the full IB Diploma. That involves quite a bit more than just taking the tests (a thesis-like essay, a formal community service program, etc.) and many students don't go the full route. Many more students participate in the IB program but choose not to go the full diploma route. (For all of its strengths, going for the full Diploma DOES mean a highly restricted schedule, and not everyone, even those who are serious about school, are willing to give up that course flexibility)
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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Taken from Southwest's website:
The IB participation rate at Southwest High School is 73 percent. The student body makeup is 48 percent male and 52 percent female, and the total minority enrollment is 35 percent.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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I heard through the Star Tribune that a lot of North Minneapolis residents were potentially transferring and preferring Southwest over options like Henry or "New North High"......Does anyone think this could negatively impact the scores (NOT because they are possibly minorities, but rather because kids from the poorest areas of cities don't have the same educational encouragement in the household)? Or has this transition already taken place -- and the scores stayed high?
If this was true, St Paul Central wouldn't be on this list.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:31 PM
 
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Feel free to keep thinking that SW is actually a "good" school, it is a school that has a handful of good students, that is quite different. What about the other 8o% of the kids that aren't graduating or barely pass their classes, let's talk about them for a while shall we? How about the 95+% graduation rate in the other schools around the state? How about talking about a meaningful measure of a school vs kids taking, yes TAKING, but not PASSING a test, one test....

I don't understand this statement. SW has a 97% graduation rate in line with every other elite school in the state. SW has a good reputation around the metro area. Is your argument that SW is a bad school? Could you please enlighten us about the other 80%--because I know somebody, from Edina, who sends their child there because of the geographical location--please let me know how bad SW is so I can tell him to get her out of that school.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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to Southwest's 20 or 30 kids in the IB program...meaningless....
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What about the other 8o% of the kids that aren't graduating or barely pass their classes, let's talk about them for a while shall we?
Could you cite where you're getting your data on these two points please? They seem to be conflicting with data I'm pulling. Appreciated.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Victory Neighborhood Minneapolis
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I heard through the Star Tribune that a lot of North Minneapolis residents were potentially transferring and preferring Southwest over options like Henry or "New North High"......Does anyone think this could negatively impact the scores (NOT because they are possibly minorities, but rather because kids from the poorest areas of cities don't have the same educational encouragement in the household)? Or has this transition already taken place -- and the scores stayed high?
Correction to your statement and the follow-up commentary to it- the article's focus was on the "New North" HS and how students that live in Its geographic enrollment area are largely selecting Mpls- Henry, charter schools, suburban and/or other Mpls schools like SW. Nowhere is there an implication that Henry's feeder area is choosing SW or that Henry is having any difficulties with enrollment- in fact the opposite is true.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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Again, you are comparing 1/3 of a school population to schools where 70+% of the kids take at least 1 AP test....again, the results are meaningless as it does not evaluate any output data and as northsub pointed out, only 48% of those kids are passing the tests, that is more telling than anything I think....

Feel free to keep thinking that SW is actually a "good" school, it is a school that has a handful of good students, that is quite different. What about the other 8o% of the kids that aren't graduating or barely pass their classes, let's talk about them for a while shall we? How about the 95+% graduation rate in the other schools around the state? How about talking about a meaningful measure of a school vs kids taking, yes TAKING, but not PASSING a test, one test....

Also, if you examine the data from USNWR, only 73% of the seniors in the IB program took an IB test, and of those kids they averaged a little over 2 tests each and only 66% passing rate on those tests and only 7.9% of the student body is full IB, so again you are comparing a VERY small portion of that school to the majority of the kids at the other schools....
This really makes no sense on so many levels.

Where do you get this stuff? Why are you so determined to "prove" that Southwest is a bad school?

Granted, I don't think Southwest is the ONLY good school in the Twin Cities, or that it's even possible to claim that one school is "best" (and think the only people who would claim such a thing are those who want to sell magazines), but by all indicators Southwest is certainly providing a high-quality education to its students. Of course if you just make up numbers I guess it's possible to "prove" whatever you want...

And again, a lot of kids who are not "full" IB DO take IB tests!

And why would the report only compare a tiny percentage of the student body to the entire student body of every other Minnesota school? That also makes no sense.

If you believe Southwest is NOT a "good school", then does that mean you think it is a bad school? A mediocre school? And, if so, then what is your rationale?
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