Simple things that could save minneapolis from turning into another crime ridden city. (Glenwood: apartment complex, lofts)

[Camden Northsider]

Originally Posted by Veridian

He's mortally terrified of coming into the city...actually of even entering the 494/694 loop. Yet somehow he knows where all the 'tutes are.

LOL - well, when a person lives in a remote area and spends most of his time stockpiling arms/ preparing for Armageddon, it can be hard to find that special someone. And if said person's had some run-ins with pimps, I can see where he might be afraid of the city...

Originally Posted by grandpa tweedle

when you read minneapolis police reports (like the ones at minneapolis crime watch blog) and see that people are being arrested for robbery etc after more than 20-40 CAPRS (crimes against persons), i wish you would ask yourself very seriously: is there really any hope for this person? this seems like the definition of hopelessness to me. i mean, 40(!) crimes against persons and you think these people are still worth rehabilitating?

Oh, Grandpa Tweedle...there's so much I want to say in response to your full post, but as a favor to you I thought I would just help to clear up some of your confusion. CAPRS does not mean "crimes against persons"(?) - it stands for COMPUTER ASSISTED POLICE RECORDS SYSTEM and refers to any encounter or interaction with the police. So, a CAPRS "record" could not only be something like a speeding ticket, accident, lurking/ loitering charge, or some other minor encounter - someone could have multiple CAPRS's for having been a victim of crime and/or calling the police after witnessing a crime and giving a statement.

[X-Northsider]

I completely disagree. Look at Mexico. They live off of $1 per hour and don't steal from people. I have a home in Mazatlan and would feel comfortable to walk on ANY street at ANY time of the day. I'd crap my pants to walk along highway 55 at night by the projects. We gave them free housing and every other benifit like food stamps, too generous unemployment, free checks even if you don't live here, welfare, free medical, and list goes on. Safety net... Can we use that net to incarcerate them?

The problem is with some cultures. Those cultures don't parent because we allowed them to learn how not to work. We need inexpensive jails and Kid's need parents. Teachers are not parents. MPLS schools spend $13K per child and the results are well below average. It's the flawed culture because of the "compassion"!



Couldn't have stated it better !!!

Another thing, How's the great "Humbolt Greenway Mixed Housing Project" doing ? 250k+ houses next door to Section 8 houses. It looks like a lot of For Sale signs popping up. (oh, that's right, it's the ecomomy) Give it 5 years and will be ALL Section 8's.

[X-Northsider]

And this 13k per student, what a shakedown this garbage is. They should get rid of most the Administrators and hire more Teachers for that kind of $, and maybe, they could get some positive results.

13k, you gotta be kidding me.........................

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by Camden Northsider

As to the revolving door - when someone is released, can't get a job, can't get housing, can't qualify for any assistance, doesn't have a support system, can't vote, etc. - there's not a lot of incentive to not re-offend. And I know of a number of people that were in and out of prison for years/ decades before finally gaining clarity in their lives and putting their past in the past for good (nonprofit "programs" usually helped them get there) - you'd be amazed to see what these once career criminals are now capable of and doing with their lives.

Sounds like the challenge is finding a legitimate way to stop the cycle, and in finding ways to make them WANT to stop the cycle when given a legitimate opportunity.

I worked for a year or so after college at a place which also hired a number of people with records, and they seemed like hardworking people.

One guy had been a safecracker for several years and fairly good at it, but after he got caught he decided when he got out that he would try to go straight, which is why he was working there. I don't know the details of the other folks -- it wasn't really talked about. But they were obviously there to work, and work hard they did. Given the overtime the company paid, you could make some fairly good money, too.

[kuan]

Originally Posted by rcsteiner

I worked for a year or so after college at a place which also hired a number of people with records, and they seemed like hardworking people.

I used to work at a place where 50% of our hires were from work release. Really. We could do no better. Most did quite well, and between my having to show up in court a couple-three times and some good mentorship we managed to keep a full staff 95% of the time.

I've found out though, that even the best intentions are only mediocre tools to have in trying to deal with substance abuse problems. Not to say we don't want to rehab those with these kinds of problems, but these problems are best left to experts.

[grandpa tweedle]

Oh, Grandpa Tweedle...there's so much I want to say in response to your full post, but as a favor to you I thought I would just help to clear up some of your confusion. CAPRS does not mean "crimes against persons"(?) - it stands for COMPUTER ASSISTED POLICE RECORDS SYSTEM and refers to any encounter or interaction with the police. So, a CAPRS "record" could not only be something like a speeding ticket, accident, lurking/ loitering charge, or some other minor encounter - someone could have multiple CAPRS's for having been a victim of crime and/or calling the police after witnessing a crime and giving a statement.[/quote]

whoops. i was led to believe it meant "crimes against persons" by someone who seems to know a thing or two about law enforcement. anyway i stand by what i wrote. anyone who remotely acts like a gangbanger needs to be shown by police and citizens alike that minneapolis is the wrong city to mess with.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Camden Northsider

Yeah, Mexico doesn't have any crime. Try leaving your comfortable little touristy-resort paradise of Mazatlan and go walk around Tijuana late at night (anyone know if this is still the murder capital of the world?) - I'd be interested to see if your story changes.

Your little commentary on "culture" using phrases like "we allowed them" etc. reeks of a whole slough of "isms" - let's just hope your investments hold up in this market lest you find yourself ever having to use that safety net.

P.S. - What projects on Hwy 55? - there aren't any. Are you referring to the highrises that were razed 8 or 9 years ago and replaced by the (very nice) Heritage Park development?

You extracted what you wanted to believe from my post. Without question, there is a lot of crime in Tijuana. The people who are committing those crimes are drug trafficking related. They are not the people making $1 an hour. The crime is caused by people that are making millions that have a lot to lose with the war on drugs and they are fighting back. Read up on the topic a little before pretending you understand what the core problem really is. So no, “my story hasn't changed” because I have researched the topic instead of just posting what I want to believe.

Since we are pointing out inaccuracies, Mazatlan is a tourist town but it is the 5th largest industry (not # 1 or two like Cancun, Cabo etc). On average, the working class makes a $1 am hour and I feel safe (so long as I stay away from border towns). Frankly, my white face is not very common in many of the towns that I visit outside of Mazatlan. So those who attach crime with low income, stop trying to scare people out of their tax $$'s. It actually makes it worse to keep people on the welfare. So with the current give away plan, income does seem to correlate with crime.

In the USA, I generally believe that low income == poor education == cultures that don't give a damn because they get things for free. If you look, MPLS spends more money that ANY city in MN (by 40%) and they still get poor scores. It's the culture that is flawed not the teachers, not the color of ones skin, not the amount of money spent. Some cultures have a high divorce rate, don’t care if they do well in school, look down on success, etc. The statistics don't lie. Look at many Asian cultures. Vietnamese boat people came to the USA in the mid 70’s are a perfect example. They too were stereotyped and ignorantly made fun of because they were different; they had to overcome many of the same hurdles. So this boat person who could not speak English at age 10, gets dropped into a foreign culture and become successful. I have many Vietnamese customers who have told me this same story. Now they are doctors and lawyers and engineers. Their negative stereotype has dissolved because their culture was successful. They have earned a new “stereotype” as high performance, hard working culture. The bottom line is their culture (that tend to understand the importance of parental involvement by both parents) mandated performance and mysteriously they worked their butts off to become well respected citizens. They could have used all kinds of excuses because the odds were stacked against them.

As far as hiway 55. Yes. I am speaking to the neighborhoods on the left and side of road as you go into the MPLS. Like I said, I'd crap my pants to walk in that neighborhood at night. I call it "the projects" (to mean free and reduced housing developments). I won’t walk in that neighborhood at night.

IMHO, an infinite flow of "economic compassion" has ruined a lot of neighborhoods and cultures. Get ready, we are about ready to expand it. I might have to go to Mexico full time to escape this compassion / "free money". "Economic compassion" will also ruin corporate America. Think bailouts.

[Minnehahapolitan]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

You extracted what you wanted to believe from my post. Without question, there is a lot of crime in Tijuana. The people who are committing those crimes are drug trafficking related. They are not the people making $1 an hour. The crime is caused by people that are making millions that have a lot to lose with the war on drugs and they are fighting back. Read up on the topic a little before pretending you understand what the core problem really is. So no, “my story hasn't changed” because I have researched the topic instead of just posting what I want to believe.

Since we are pointing out inaccuracies, Mazatlan is a tourist town but it is the 5th largest industry (not # 1 or two like Cancun, Cabo etc). On average, the working class makes a $1 am hour and I feel safe (so long as I stay away from border towns). Frankly, my white face is not very common in many of the towns that I visit outside of Mazatlan. So those who attach crime with low income, stop trying to scare people out of their tax $$'s. It actually makes it worse to keep people on the welfare. So with the current give away plan, income does seem to correlate with crime.

In the USA, I generally believe that low income == poor education == cultures that don't give a damn because they get things for free. If you look, MPLS spends more money that ANY city in MN (by 40%) and they still get poor scores. It's the culture that is flawed not the teachers, not the color of ones skin, not the amount of money spent. Some cultures have a high divorce rate, don’t care if they do well in school, look down on success, etc. The statistics don't lie. Look at many Asian cultures. Vietnamese boat people came to the USA in the mid 70’s are a perfect example. They too were stereotyped and ignorantly made fun of because they were different; they had to overcome many of the same hurdles. So this boat person who could not speak English at age 10, gets dropped into a foreign culture and become successful. I have many Vietnamese customers who have told me this same story. Now they are doctors and lawyers and engineers. Their negative stereotype has dissolved because their culture was successful. They have earned a new “stereotype” as high performance, hard working culture. The bottom line is their culture (that tend to understand the importance of parental involvement by both parents) mandated performance and mysteriously they worked their butts off to become well respected citizens. They could have used all kinds of excuses because the odds were stacked against them.

As far as hiway 55. Yes. I am speaking to the neighborhoods on the left and side of road as you go into the MPLS. Like I said, I'd crap my pants to walk in that neighborhood at night. I call it "the projects" (to mean free and reduced housing developments). I won’t walk in that neighborhood at night.

IMHO, an infinite flow of "economic compassion" has ruined a lot of neighborhoods and cultures. Get ready, we are about ready to expand it. I might have to go to Mexico full time to escape this compassion / "free money". "Economic compassion" will also ruin corporate America. Think bailouts.

Well, the neighborhoods north of Olson Memorial when you enter the City are city neighborhoods, not projects. (Pretty sure that Carl Eller lives in that area -- thugs AND people eaters, yikes!) Out of fear of sounding ignorant, you should probably stop refering to them as such. There is not a single housing unit in Minneapolis that is free, they simply do not exist. There is alot of low-income housing, but the price paid in rent for them is usually proportional to the person's income. Just since we are pointing out inaccuracies.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Minnehahapolitan

Well, the neighborhoods north of Olson Memorial when you enter the City are city neighborhoods, not projects. (Pretty sure that Carl Eller lives in that area -- thugs AND people eaters, yikes!) Out of fear of sounding ignorant, you should probably stop refering to them as such. There is not a single housing unit in Minneapolis that is free, they simply do not exist. There is alot of low-income housing, but the price paid in rent for them is usually proportional to the person's income. Just since we are pointing out inaccuracies.

Carl Ellers neighborhood. Hummm... Carl Eller's assault trial moved to Dec. 29

Paying how much you afford. Let's see, if I don't have a job, get food stamps, free MN health care how much do I pay in rent???

Independent of "free" rent, I still would not want to walk in that neighborhood at night. Would you??

[Slig]

I thought he lived in Golden Valley but after looking it up you are right, his residence is in north Minneapolis.