North Minneapolis (Robbinsdale, Corcoran, Jordan: foreclosure, townhome, neighborhoods)

[nick is rulz]

Originally Posted by golfgal

The really funny thing is you die hard urbanites say you can't get to all of that in a 10 minute walk yet you claim the cities are so much more 'walkable' then the suburbs, yet, here is evil suburban land I can get to all of that in less then a 10 minute walk, interesting.

couple of things to consider:

1). The area of the city in question, while not dangerous, is on the fringes of rough spots. Not many businesses in the area.

2). Your suburb would be an exception to the rule. The vast majority of suburbs seem to completely lack a sidewalk. Not owning a car and living in Eagan would pretty much be impossible.

[Minnehahapolitan]

Originally Posted by The Icy River Vagabond

But. The urbinite will walk.... Will the suburbinite???

Thank You. That really is the point. There is a reason that you don't see people walking to Cub Foods on Co. 42 and Cedar. It is not a pleasant place to walk with a bag of groceries. To say that you can walk to everything in the suburbs is a technicality. If suburbs were as walkable as you continuously claim them to be; would you not see a critical mass of walkers? I lived in that area for a long time, you must have been one of three people I saw on the sidewalk.
Anyways, why do you lash out a CamdenNorthsider? She wasn't trying to debate anyone. A simple statement about the neighborhood; not a treatise on urbanity.

[golfgal]

Originally Posted by The Icy River Vagabond

But. The urbinite will walk.... Will the suburbinite???

Around here there are a lot of people that do walk to the shopping centers and in downtown. Do I walk to the grocery store, not usually since I shop for a family of 5 every couple weeks and carrying 12 bags of groceries isn't all that easy. I do walk to work when I can but usually I have meetings or have to shuttle the kids places so that isn't always feasible. Would I walk along Cedar and 42, no, but then I would walk along University Ave or a whole host of streets in Minneapolis either and neither do most urbanites.

[Minnehahapolitan]

If you can't walk down the major street in your suburb, whre do you walk? The curvilinear, residential streets? The backwater commerical streets with little on them? There are nature paths and treadmills. Your kid may walk to school.

[Camden Northsider]

[quote=nick is rulz;2272000]couple of things to consider:

1). The area of the city in question, while not dangerous, is on the fringes of rough spots. Not many businesses in the area.
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You know I have to say it Nick, could you expect any less from me? I disagree with the 'fringes' remark, i'd say we're enveloped by other safe neighborhoods and parks...and for a very residential city neighborhood, i would say there is a relatively high number of businesses here.

[golfgal]

Originally Posted by Minnehahapolitan

If you can't walk down the major street in your suburb, whre do you walk? The curvilinear, residential streets? The backwater commerical streets with little on them? There are nature paths and treadmills. Your kid may walk to school.

I don't live in Apple Valley so I don't need to walk on Cedar/42. There are also plenty of side streets that will take you where you need to go without having to walk on Cedar or 42.

[Minnehahapolitan]

With what on them? That would be akin to saying that in Uptown you can't easily walk down Lake, Lagoon or Hennepin; but it is perfectly fine to walk down blocks of duplexes and apartment buildings. It really would not matter if the side streets got me to a destination which was not suitable for walking.

[nick is rulz]

Originally Posted by Camden Northsider

You know I have to say it Nick, could you expect any less from me? I disagree with the 'fringes' remark, i'd say we're enveloped by other safe neighborhoods and parks...and for a very residential city neighborhood, i would say there is a relatively high number of businesses here.

Cleveland is rough, McKinley is rough, Folwell is rough. Webber-Camden isnt the best but its certainly leaps and bounds better than the neighborhoods south of Dowling.

Dont get me wrong, I like Camden a lot and I would rank it high on my list of places to look if I was apartment hunting. The "commercial" blocks of Thomas just look kind of sad to me as most of the store fronts are empty. The abscence of anything where SuperValu used to be on Humboldt is just sort of an eyesore. What Camden needs is that one stand out business that kind of defines the neighborhood.

All of Camden has a certain feel to it thats unlike any other part of the city, and I certainly would like to see more businesses so people have a reason to go there and explore.

[randomrun]

how is the Lind-Bohanon area? it seems like a quiet, well-kept blue collar neighborhood. post-war housing isn't very arcitechurally exciting, but the neighborhood itself seems quite decent.

any first hand knowledge of that area?

[Camden Northsider]

[quote=nick is rulz;2286886]Cleveland is rough, McKinley is rough, Folwell is rough. Webber-Camden isnt the best but its certainly leaps and bounds better than the neighborhoods south of Dowling.
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What's your definition of rough? I can see blue-collar/ working-class/ moderate income, and of course there are pockets that are rougher, but I wouldn't call most of these areas rough. Especially Cleveland, maybe aruond Lowry/ Penn Aves (the busy thoroughfares and a few blocks around them), but otherwise I disagree. McKinley doesn't border Victory, and Folwell only borders a corner of Victory (the other poster that talked about their living experience in Folwell matches that of others I know that live there - yes they have had some stuff happen in the past year around Logan and the low 30s, but that doesn't define the neighborhood as a whole).