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01-23-2008, 05:53 PM
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YUP, I take issue with so many of your points that I'm not quite sure where to begin.
I just read a separate post in which you say you grew up in Eagan. As a result, you are not from Minneapolis. You are from Eagan. If Minneapolis is such a sad second choice to Chicago, why do you claim to be "from" there? You have also shared with us your young age. As such, you have no idea what it is like to be an adult living in Minneapolis.
Furthermore, you have clearly identified yourself as being non-liberal and perhaps anti-liberal. Thus, you have no business speaking to the liberal nature of Minneapolis. Minnesota is probably more accurately defined as "progressive" than "liberal" and it is unlikely to become less progressive. There's no evidence that Minnesota is becoming a "republican state" and it's a well-known fact that more educated people are more likely to be Democrats than Republicans.
Upon what do you base that Minnesota liberals are lazy? I don't even see an attempt to justify that claim. Or that Chicago liberals are activist snobs. Seems to me that perhaps you have yet to learn the meaning of the word liberal.
Chicago is a fine city. It's wonderful that you're so happy with the place you've chosen to live as a 25-year-old, but it is rather sad to see such a young person with such a narrow-minded view of the world.
However, as a liberal I'm a staunch supporter of free speech and I enjoy this opportunity for public debate!
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01-23-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by youngurbanprofessional
I'm going to take a wild shot and guess you and the OP are in your 20's. As a 25 year old FROM Minneapolis, I'd recommend looking at Chicago over Minneapolis. It doesn't get any more liberal than big city urban lifestyles. Minnesota is slowly, but surely, shifting to a more republican state, especially because people there are pretty well educated. Chicago and IL will always be liberal. If you're looking for a liberal culture, Chicago has plenty of things you can get involved in. Since most strong liberals don't have a job due to their strong commitment of protesting and other activist activities, you may find yourself a little strapped. But, I have many super liberal friends who are willing to live like bums and pile 5 people to a 1 bedroom studio, so I'm sure you could find something along those lines. There's many immigration rights rally's, slowly falling apart, but you could help rally them back to their protests against immigration laws. The CTA is underfunded, you could lobby for more taxes. Taxi drivers are whining about gas prices being too high and cutting into their rate, you could help the middle-eastern immigrants improve their lifestyle by charging people more for taxi rides.
However, if you are fortunate to have a career and actually want to work for your money, there are PLENTY of more job opportunities in ALL INDUSTRIES in Chicago. Minneapolis sucks for young professionals trying to start a career. All my college friends working back in MN are either not working in the industry they want, or they are but they are paid so little they have to get a part time job at a retail store or restaurant. I made more money in my first full year out of college in Chicago than any two of my closest college friends combined.
Depends on how liberal you want to get. Lazy liberal in MN or intense urbal activist snob liberal in Chicago.
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By liberal I don't mean lazy socialist bum, but rather free thinking, libraterian, educated individual. The kind of person who believes in the REAL freedoms and values that our Founding Fathers wanted for us, not some twisted version of it straight out of Bill O'Reilly's mouth.
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01-23-2008, 07:14 PM
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(gently steps around the dogg^H^H^H^H political landmines and vows to bring a pooper-scooper next time)
It sounds like you're looking for a certain vibe as well. I can only speak for Minneapolis, but of course the obvious answer is Uptown, although that area ha$ certain di$advantage$.
I played around with Google maps, typing in various keywords like organic, coop, & independent bookseller and got a fairly good matchup with areas I've always considered trendy-liberal. That's probably a good place to start.
(don't forget to rate if you found this helpful)
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01-23-2008, 09:41 PM
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no offense, but debating the "liberalness" of a city as your criteria for moving seems kind of short sighted. Are you planning on working for some kind of organization, political party, or something? Washington DC, has TONS of people (mostly liberal) working for a cause in various organziations and such. Here in Minneapolis, I would say you are looking for Uptown.
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01-24-2008, 09:00 AM
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Minneapolis--Uptown is the first area that came to mind in response to the original post.
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01-24-2008, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sugarbeet
YUP, I take issue with so many of your points that I'm not quite sure where to begin.
I just read a separate post in which you say you grew up in Eagan. As a result, you are not from Minneapolis. You are from Eagan. If Minneapolis is such a sad second choice to Chicago, why do you claim to be "from" there? You have also shared with us your young age. As such, you have no idea what it is like to be an adult living in Minneapolis.
Furthermore, you have clearly identified yourself as being non-liberal and perhaps anti-liberal. Thus, you have no business speaking to the liberal nature of Minneapolis. Minnesota is probably more accurately defined as "progressive" than "liberal" and it is unlikely to become less progressive. There's no evidence that Minnesota is becoming a "republican state" and it's a well-known fact that more educated people are more likely to be Democrats than Republicans.
Upon what do you base that Minnesota liberals are lazy? I don't even see an attempt to justify that claim. Or that Chicago liberals are activist snobs. Seems to me that perhaps you have yet to learn the meaning of the word liberal.
Chicago is a fine city. It's wonderful that you're so happy with the place you've chosen to live as a 25-year-old, but it is rather sad to see such a young person with such a narrow-minded view of the world.
However, as a liberal I'm a staunch supporter of free speech and I enjoy this opportunity for public debate!
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I lived in Minneapolis for 5 years after the age of 18 and that age is a legal adult in the state of Minnesota and the U.S. I went to school at the U of M, which is located in Minneapolis. I consider my years 1-18 to be insignificant in understanding politics or liberalism. I'm pretty sure I understand what liberalism is as well, I remind you, I went to the U of M, college plants the liberal seed, I'm fully aware of what was pushed onto me and for a short period I had bought into it. Then other events in my life changed my opinion. I'm glad you support free speech as I don't run into to many liberals who do. I am not narrow minded, I keep an open mind to a lot of things. Again, I used to be a liberal, that way of thinking just stopped making logical sense to me anymore. I didnt say all Minneapolis liberals are lazy and all chicago liberals are activist snobs, but you can find a large amount of each of those types in those areas from what I've experienced, and I believe the OP was asking for an opinionated response. There is no way to calculate or gauge which area has the most liberalism feel to it. There's no Liberal-ometer to determine what is more liberal on the Wellstone scale, thus she has opened up the conversation to opinions. I have a right to mine, she can choose not to listen to it. I do agree that as an older adult with a family, Chicago is not the place to be or to raise a family. Minnesota has much better schooling in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the OP is younger and would much more enjoy Chicago than Minnepolis.
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01-24-2008, 01:04 PM
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Furthermore, you have clearly identified yourself as being non-liberal and perhaps anti-liberal.
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I think he HAS clearly identified exactly which of the two he is! 
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01-24-2008, 01:05 PM
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...I'm glad you support free speech as I don't run into to many liberals who do. I am not narrow minded, I keep an open mind to a lot of things...
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WTF? 
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01-24-2008, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarbeet
Much of St. Paul, too. Just like in the other cities the OP mentioned, liberals tend to prefer city living for a number of reasons. Access to culture, walkability, sense of community.
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And conservatives like to watch "American Idol", drive SUVs everywhere and keep to themselves? How sanctimonious!
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01-24-2008, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by youngurbanprofessional
...I'm glad you support free speech as I don't run into to many liberals who do. I am not narrow minded, I keep an open mind to a lot of things...
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Originally Posted by Ben Around
WTF? 
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It's a technique of framing the language for mass consumption and for political effect. I didn't want to go too far on this (or else the "Don't want to make nice" angry liberal in me would emerge and go waaaay off topic) but the question had been asked. Thom Hartman and others have written on the subject.
(Yes I'm still begging for ratings...)
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