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Old 10-05-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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Haha....pull up a chair, dear Mariners fan, and let me tell you a story about "bad baseball" (although I guess you guys don't have the solace of a WS ring...)
We also don't have the solace of appearing in the World Series. We're the only team in the American League that has never been to the World Series(and we had Ken Griffey Jr in our ranks).

I am aware that the Twins had some hard times, but the Mariners, for the first 14 seasons as a franchise, never had a winning season. Our worst seasons during the 1977-1990 period: 1978(56-104), 1980(59-103), 1983 (60-102), 1977 (64-98).

And the M's # of seasons with 100+ loss: 1978, 1980, 1983, 2008, 2010.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:33 AM
 
Location: (East) St. Paul, MN
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Haha....pull up a chair, dear Mariners fan, and let me tell you a story about "bad baseball" (although I guess you guys don't have the solace of a WS ring...)
Twins are the only "world champions" this state has ever had (unless you include Lynx, and I know there are plenty that do - I would relate Lynx basketball to Saints baseball or some such, not even on par with Gophers hockey, but that's just me)
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:45 AM
 
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I think this article will need an update: Every MLB franchise's worst team of the last 30 years | Sporting News

In this article, the Twins worst season in the last 30 years was 2011(it was written last years when the Twins went 83-79).
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Old 10-05-2016, 03:48 PM
 
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We also don't have the solace of appearing in the World Series. We're the only team in the American League that has never been to the World Series(and we had Ken Griffey Jr in our ranks).

I am aware that the Twins had some hard times, but the Mariners, for the first 14 seasons as a franchise, never had a winning season. Our worst seasons during the 1977-1990 period: 1978(56-104), 1980(59-103), 1983 (60-102), 1977 (64-98).

And the M's # of seasons with 100+ loss: 1978, 1980, 1983, 2008, 2010.
True. The Mariners have had some good players like Griffey, Randy Johnson and Ichiro Suzuki. Had not realized until your post that they have never played in the World Series. Must have been especially tough to be a Mariners fans from 1978-1983 with three seasons of 100+ losses and again from 2008-2010 with two more.

At least older Twins fans like myself can look back with good memories of their 1987 and 1991 World Series championships. I still remember the last game of the 1991 Series against Atlanta that clinched it and it was simply a classic with Jack Morris pitching 10 shutout innings! I remember the defense turning a double play in the 10th inning to support him in the 1-0 win.

Always helps to have memories like those after this season! Tonight I will be rooting for my favorite National League team...the San Francisco Giants!

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Old 10-05-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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We also don't have the solace of appearing in the World Series. We're the only team in the American League that has never been to the World Series(and we had Ken Griffey Jr in our ranks).

I am aware that the Twins had some hard times, but the Mariners, for the first 14 seasons as a franchise, never had a winning season. Our worst seasons during the 1977-1990 period: 1978(56-104), 1980(59-103), 1983 (60-102), 1977 (64-98).

And the M's # of seasons with 100+ loss: 1978, 1980, 1983, 2008, 2010.
Meh. You also had the best regular season team in the history of the game....I would say it evens out.

The Twins have had some sustained stretches of very, very bad baseball, too. And they've never assembled the type of talent on the field of a Griffey and a Johnson (at the same time). When they were bad in the 80's and the 90's, it was with hapless players.

I know the Mariners aren't the Cardinals or the Yankees or anything, but they have given you some awfully good products since 1990. And they sure as heck don't have squatter's rights on "bad baseball."
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Old 12-07-2016, 06:46 AM
 
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Meh. You also had the best regular season team in the history of the game....I would say it evens out.

The Twins have had some sustained stretches of very, very bad baseball, too. And they've never assembled the type of talent on the field of a Griffey and a Johnson (at the same time). When they were bad in the 80's and the 90's, it was with hapless players.

I know the Mariners aren't the Cardinals or the Yankees or anything, but they have given you some awfully good products since 1990. And they sure as heck don't have squatter's rights on "bad baseball."
No stars for the Twins? Bert Blyelven, Kirby Puckett, Harmon Killebrew, Rod Carew. You guys had some talent of your own. You got more Twinkies in the HOF than Mariners. Ken Griffey Jr was the first this year.

The Twins did quite bad this year. However, they never strung together multiple 100+ loss seasons within 5 years. This year was actually the worst the Twins ever did since moving to Mpls. Seattle sunk lower, 56-104 in 1978.

We might have 116 wins from 2001, but that was also the last time the M's were ever in the playoffs, and we only made it 4 times, between 1995-2001. We produced a good product in those years, but since then, it hasn't been the same. The Twins had some bad baseball, but they always bounced back. Most losing seasons in a row for the Twins? 8 (1993-2000). M's have 14 in a row.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:06 AM
 
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True. The Mariners have had some good players like Griffey, Randy Johnson and Ichiro Suzuki. Had not realized until your post that they have never played in the World Series. Must have been especially tough to be a Mariners fans from 1978-1983 with three seasons of 100+ losses and again from 2008-2010 with two more.

At least older Twins fans like myself can look back with good memories of their 1987 and 1991 World Series championships. I still remember the last game of the 1991 Series against Atlanta that clinched it and it was simply a classic with Jack Morris pitching 10 shutout innings! I remember the defense turning a double play in the 10th inning to support him in the 1-0 win.

Always helps to have memories like those after this season! Tonight I will be rooting for my favorite National League team...the San Francisco Giants!
I was born in 1986. The M's were still kind of bad when I was born. They were decent when I was growing up. It bites though, that we would get stars, and then lose them. It was hard to truly build a team.

Once 2004 started, they were horrible. 63-99. After stringing together consecutive 93-69 seasons in 2002 and 2003, 2004-2006 were some bad years. 3 consecutive last place finishes. 2008 was the worst. Echoes of the 1986-1987 Cleveland Indians. The Indians were expected to win the 1987 AL East after posting an 84-78 record. The Mariners were expected contend for the AL West title in the 2008 season after finishing 88-74 in 2007. They finished dead last in the AL over all, with a record of 61-101. They would repeat that same record in 2010. What made 2008 particularly bad was the amount of money spent on the payroll. First team with a $100 million payroll with 100+ losses.

Twins fans have 1991 to look to. Us M's fans have the 1995 ALDS to look to. I've watched game 7 of the 1991 World Series on youtube. That is awesome.
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Old 12-22-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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I hope that 2016 was just a sophomore jinx for Paul Molitor.
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:36 AM
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there is talk that Hunter Greene, a 2-way (SS/RHP) LA high-schooler, may be the first time a high school player is taken #1 in the upcoming MLB draft...

Hunter Greene stellar at Perfect Game National | MLB.com


I do recall that the Twins maybe could use some pitching help.


Would also expect that the Twins move Dozier to get some add'l pitching prospects as well.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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there is talk that Hunter Greene, a 2-way (SS/RHP) LA high-schooler, may be the first time a high school player is taken #1 in the upcoming MLB draft...

Hunter Greene stellar at Perfect Game National | MLB.com


I do recall that the Twins maybe could use some pitching help.


Would also expect that the Twins move Dozier to get some add'l pitching prospects as well.
I'm left wondering what happened this year vs last year.
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