Minn. cop fatally shoots black man during traffic stop (Minneapolis: attorneys, home)

[wamer27]

Attorney confirms police audio obtained by KARE 11 | KARE11.com

Info is starting to come out.

[Mason3000]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

"But data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8175c334a962

That's the trick that the SJW's like to use. They hop back and forth between overall data and proportional data whenever it suits the cause. I don't mind whichever set of data, so long as we choose one and stick to it.

Twice as many Whites are killed by cops as Blacks is a true statement. A higher percentage of Blacks are shot than Whites is also a true statement. If we're going the percentage or proportional route, then a much higher percentage of Blacks kill cops, commit murders and commit violent crime. Proportionally they're stopped more often because they're committing a higher percentage of crime and thus are having more police interactions & cops feel more threatened. According to the proportional data, the cops should feel more threatened.

Or you can use the overall numbers, which the SJW's like to do when it suits the agenda. i.e. Most of the shootings of Blacks come at the hands of White cops. With Whites making up 65-70% of the population, naturally a much higher % of cops in general are White and therefore, logically most police shootings would be by White cops.

I'm interested in data drilling and statistics, but we must compare apples to apples, not just when it's convenient.

[chessgeek]

Originally Posted by Mason3000

Dayton is a privileged 1% hypocrite who's never come within a mile of racism or the police unless they were escorting him somewhere. Inherited everything he has, Yale educated, married into the Rockefeller family and moved his estimated 2.5 billion dollar fortune to South Dakota to avoid paying his fair share of taxes in Minnesota or inheritance tax when he dies. Breaks my heart to see people who claim to be for social justice, cheer leading for hypocritical 1%'ers.

He was dead wrong to say this wouldn't have happened if the suspect was White. Twice as many White people are killed by police than Black people every year. The week of the Louisiana and Falcon Heights shootings, five White people were shot and killed by the police. His statement was not reality, nor justice, it was just irresponsible, divisive, racial pandering.

It was his view as the elected leader of Minnesota and I disagree that it was irresponsible. Saying nothing would have been an insult to the Castile family and the community IMO.

He had also protested against the Vietnam War in his youth; one was at a Honeywell facility and he disobeyed his father's request not to do that because he was so strongly opposed. He cannot help that he was born into a wealthy family, but given his career, he has accomplished more than some "trust fund babies" out there who just live on the wealthy inheritance from a young age without working. .

I believe this investigation has a good chance to result in charges filed against the officer.

[chessgeek]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

As much as I love pathological lying I love truth and fact checking even more. If only conservatives did.

"Dayton’s department store ancestors set up a South Dakota trust — in 1934.
He said he has no control over the trust, and pays Minnesota and federal taxes on whatever income he derives."


Reality Check: MN Forward Ad On Dayton Tax Plan « WCCO | CBS Minnesota

Not surprised at all as I had never heard about his South Dakota tax shelter until Mason3000 posted it. Thanks for the fact checking! Mason3000 just does not like Dayton. That is his right. Would be nice if he could stick to the facts, though. Now we have the facts.

[Thedosius]

Originally Posted by Mason3000

That's the trick that the SJW's like to use. They hop back and forth between overall data and proportional data whenever it suits the cause. I don't mind whichever set of data, so long as we choose one and stick to it.

Twice as many Whites are killed by cops as Blacks is a true statement. A higher percentage of Blacks are shot than Whites is also a true statement. If we're going the percentage or proportional route, then a much higher percentage of Blacks kill cops, commit murders and commit violent crime. Proportionally they're stopped more often because they're committing a higher percentage of crime and thus are having more police interactions & cops feel more threatened. According to the proportional data, the cops should feel more threatened.

Or you can use the overall numbers, which the SJW's like to do when it suits the agenda. i.e. Most of the shootings of Blacks come at the hands of White cops. With Whites making up 65-70% of the population, naturally a much higher % of cops in general are White and therefore, logically most police shootings would be by White cops.

I'm interested in data drilling and statistics, but we must compare apples to apples, not just when it's convenient.

It is inconvenient but the way you presented the data was utterly deceptive, so quit pretending it's other people playing tricks. And "SJW" is a term used solely by crackpot lunatic Righties.

[chessgeek]

Minneapolis Police Federation President Bob Kroll supported four officers leaving their security posts at a Lynx game yesterday. He went a step further and said all police are likely to refuse assignments there. This happened after Lynx players honored the memory of Philando Castile, and Alton of Baton Rouge. However, they also praised the Dallas police department and honored the memory of the five dead officers there.

Fair, balanced, reasonable and respectful in my view. Yet Kroll was so angered he made a premature statement speaking for all other Minneapolis officers when he does not know that for a fact yet.

http://www.usatoday.com/2016/07/poli...atter-t-shirts

I doubt anyone that criticized Dayton will criticize Kroll, who was more controversial IMO. What we need from our police leadership at a time like this is people like police chief Brown in Dallas who after killing the terrorist in Dallas, has reached out and tried to heal the families directly affected, the Dallas community and even the nation. He is a HERO in my view. We need more of them.

The "Krolls" in our departments need to learn from Brown's example. Being divisive and hostile over something like this is unwarranted. Not saying he does not have First Amendment rights, he does, but more responsible people than him should speak out against that sort of thing. Criminal suspects get better treatment than the Lynx and their fans got from Kroll. This is also a missed opportunity. Certainly think the Lynx would be open to letting the police share their views pre-game by honoring the dead officers and their familes in Dallas for example if they so chose. They chose to walk out instead.

[TimtheGuy]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

You figured it out. Do you remember the story When Sharon Anderson got 40% of the vote because people thought the person on the ballet was the lady from "Good Company" talk show. Here is the story... Bruce Kennedy for MN Secretary of State

Note: My statement has nothing to do with Dayton being a good or bad governor. I'm just pointing out how ignorant the voters are. If they were smart, would we have Trump or Hillary on the ticket?

+1
SO very true.

[TimtheGuy]

Originally Posted by chessgeek

Minneapolis Police Federation President Bob Kroll supported four officers leaving their security posts at a Lynx game yesterday. He went a step further and said all police are likely to refuse assignments there. This happened after Lynx players honored the memory of Philando Castile, and Alton of Baton Rouge. However, they also praised the Dallas police department and honored the memory of the five dead officers there.

Fair, balanced, reasonable and respectful in my view. .

The shirts solely supported the slain civilians and BLM:

CHANGE STARTS WITH US … JUSTICE & ACCOUNTABILITY
Philando Castile
Alton Sterling
BLACK LIVES MATTER

Basically a direct shot at cops. How is that balanced? This after 2 days ago 21 officers were injured on I-94 at a BLM or BLM supporter protest.

[Mason3000]

Originally Posted by chessgeek

It was his view as the elected leader of Minnesota and I disagree that it was irresponsible. Saying nothing would have been an insult to the Castile family and the community IMO.

He had also protested against the Vietnam War in his youth; one was at a Honeywell facility and he disobeyed his father's request not to do that because he was so strongly opposed. He cannot help that he was born into a wealthy family, but given his career, he has accomplished more than some "trust fund babies" out there who just live on the wealthy inheritance from a young age without working. .

I believe this investigation has a good chance to result in charges filed against the officer.

He could have made a statement saying "no one is in favor of the police shooting a civilian unless it's absolutely necessary, assured Minnesotans that he was going to get to the bottom of what happened and urged everyone to remain peaceful & calm while they investigate". Instead he pushed a false narrative, stating Castile likely would not have been shot if he was White. That's false, it's divisive, it's disrespectful of the police and it's inflammatory.

[Mason3000]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

It is inconvenient but the way you presented the data was utterly deceptive, so quit pretending it's other people playing tricks. And "SJW" is a term used solely by crackpot lunatic Righties.

Twice as many White people are shot by police, as Black people. How is that deceptive?