Is minneapolis sprawled? (St. Paul, Bloomington, Eagan: rent, buy, new construction)

[Slig]

It's no use comparing our metro area to other ones. Urban sprawl is happening everywhere. The best way to stop it is to stop new construction on the outskirts and instead increase the density of the current metropolitan area. There is enough space in Minneapolis and St. Paul proper to hold another 500,000 people no problem.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by knke0402

Thats a good point. Population Density Numbers paint a much better picture. Density here in MSP is NOTHING compared to NYC, BOSTON, and PHILLY.


Golfgal, your right about Jersey, (well northern jersey) about how dense it is.. There is no open space between cities, it just keeps running. Unless you go south, then the state is pretty nice.

Northern NJ does have some less dense areas:

Sussex County: 276 people per square mile.
Warren County: 286 people per square mile.
Hunterdon County: 283 people per square mile.

This compares to Hudson County NJ which has a density of 12,870 people per square mile.

[Minnehahapolitan]

Originally Posted by Slig

It's no use comparing our metro area to other ones. Urban sprawl is happening everywhere. The best way to stop it is to stop new construction on the outskirts and instead increase the density of the current metropolitan area. There is enough space in Minneapolis and St. Paul proper to hold another 500,000 people no problem.

I don't think most people realize how much room Mpls. has in it. I bet Elliot Park alone could take a few thousand more people without building more than a four story apartment block. Think of how many empty homes there are on the Northside. Even in heavily developed areas; there are plenty of parking lots in Uptown that could yield hundreds of new units. The industrial area around the Incenerator and Farmers' Market could be developed into the density of downtown.
Even as is, Mpls. has a higher population density than most peer cities. Seattle is slightly higher, but Mpls. is much more dense than San Diego, Denver, Pittsburgh and Milwaukee. Also remember that Mpls. (while growing) is still below its population peak. Cities like Los Angeles which are currently at their population height only now have similar densities.

[knke0402]

Originally Posted by Minnehahapolitan

I don't think most people realize how much room Mpls. has in it. I bet Elliot Park alone could take a few thousand more people without building more than a four story apartment block. Think of how many empty homes there are on the Northside. Even in heavily developed areas; there are plenty of parking lots in Uptown that could yield hundreds of new units. The industrial area around the Incenerator and Farmers' Market could be developed into the density of downtown.
Even as is, Mpls. has a higher population density than most peer cities. Seattle is slightly higher, but Mpls. is much more dense than San Diego, Denver, Pittsburgh and Milwaukee. Also remember that Mpls. (while growing) is still below its population peak. Cities like Los Angeles which are currently at their population height only now have similar densities.

True about how much room MPLS has. They have more acres dedicated to parks and trails than anyother large city in the USA.
Also, i think i read somewhere that MPLS has the largest deer population of any large city (pop>100,000) in the USA.

[TimtheGuy]

Just because there is plenty of "space" in MPLS proper does not mean those in the burbs or outskirts want to move there.

[Minnehahapolitan]

Originally Posted by TimtheGuy

Just because there is plenty of "space" in MPLS proper does not mean those in the burbs or outskirts want to move there.

Have you been into the City since the Clinton administration? Thousands of condos have been built in every neighborhood of Minneapolis. The two demographics that are supporting population growth in Mpls. are immigrants and former suburbanites. Guess which one lives in the half-million dollar condo.

[Minnehahapolitan]

Originally Posted by knke0402

True about how much room MPLS has. They have more acres dedicated to parks and trails than anyother large city in the USA.
Also, i think i read somewhere that MPLS has the largest deer population of any large city (pop>100,000) in the USA.

I imagine those would be very hungry deer.

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by BlackOut

Here is a US sprawl map:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ng...20010701.3.pdf

Cool map. Thanks a lot.

[TimtheGuy]

Originally Posted by Minnehahapolitan

Have you been into the City since the Clinton administration? Thousands of condos have been built in every neighborhood of Minneapolis. The two demographics that are supporting population growth in Mpls. are immigrants and former suburbanites. Guess which one lives in the half-million dollar condo.

That first line was pretty good.

Ya, there was a short little condo boom (wouldn't want to be a developer holding units right now :-0), but clearly way more people have been choosing to live out in the sprawl that the people inside the loop seem to despise so much.

[Slig]

Originally Posted by TimtheGuy

That first line was pretty good.

Ya, there was a short little condo boom (wouldn't want to be a developer holding units right now :-0), but clearly way more people have been choosing to live out in the sprawl that the people inside the loop seem to despise so much.

you outer loopers are screwing up traffic for everyone else