Minneapolis crime data Jan-June 08 (Marshall, Isle: condo, high crime, home)

[Slig]

Originally Posted by Clifford63

Generally anything east of Lyndale is not considered SW by those who live there. That would exclude Kingfield, Tangletown and Windom.

As I commented earlier - how bad are some of these areas looking past the numbers. Not that bad if you ask me. NE is really a nice area of the city in my book.

You're right as alot of the NE neighborhoods were very low on the list for crime. What is going on in Bottineau though?

[mplsgirl]

It looks like Slig's original post should not be taken seriously.

[Slig]

Originally Posted by mplsgirl

It looks like Slig's original post should not be taken seriously.

why is that?

[Clifford63]

Originally Posted by Slig

You're right as alot of the NE neighborhoods were very low on the list for crime. What is going on in Bottineau though?

Thing about stats is they tell the general story, but not the whole story.

I personally am not familar with Bottineau, but some of the increased numbers for areas around lake calhoun are almost certianly related to stuff happening in parks. Lot of draw to these areas, and some questionble things are going to occur. Stats are just raw numbers and certian things are going to cause them to be skewed. I don't think there are murders and rapes happening at Lake Calhoun in any large number, but might be issues with people busting into cars and such.

The also have a shots fired map on the city web page. Looking at that, it really seems to portray a picture that maches my perception of where more serious problems are happening.

[MNNative]

Originally Posted by Clifford63

Thing about stats is they tell the general story, but not the whole story.

I personally am not familar with Bottineau, but some of the increased numbers for areas around lake calhoun are almost certianly related to stuff happening in parks. Lot of draw to these areas, and some questionble things are going to occur. Stats are just raw numbers and certian things are going to cause them to be skewed. I don't think there are murders and rapes happening at Lake Calhoun in any large number, but might be issues with people busting into cars and such.

The also have a shots fired map on the city web page. Looking at that, it really seems to portray a picture that maches my perception of where more serious problems are happening.

So do you suggest that instead of grouping all crime by neighborhood and generating a rank by population, someone (Slig?) should take each offense and generate neighborhood stats for that? I.E. Which neighborhood is worse/best for murders/population, robberies/population, etc??

This whole thread is giving me a headache......too many numbers. But I do think it's valuable to see the "per capita" crime rates considering there are many arguments about how a population greatly affects crime rates.

And I do feel that my neighborhood is quiet.

[Slig]

I believe that river park area is in Bottineau so I'm sure that contributes to the crime data to a certain extent. I would agree that there are explainable reasons for alot of the numbers. I feel my neighborhood is very quiet yet it is just skimming the top ten list in the city. However, I believe the vast majority of the crimes occur on the main thoroughfares. Corcoran just so happens to be bordered by E Lake St, Hiawatha Ave and Cedar Ave on the north, east and west sides. Once you go inside the neighborhood it is pretty quiet.

[jazzymentality]

So, between that time, how many people have been raped and murdered?

[Slig]

citywide reported cases of murder and rape from Jan-June of 2008:

murder: 28
rape: 226

[Camden Northsider]

Originally Posted by Clifford63

Thing about stats is they tell the general story, but not the whole story.

I personally am not familar with Bottineau, but some of the increased numbers for areas around lake calhoun are almost certianly related to stuff happening in parks. Lot of draw to these areas, and some questionble things are going to occur. Stats are just raw numbers and certian things are going to cause them to be skewed. I don't think there are murders and rapes happening at Lake Calhoun in any large number, but might be issues with people busting into cars and such.

The also have a shots fired map on the city web page. Looking at that, it really seems to portray a picture that maches my perception of where more serious problems are happening.

The shots fired map doesn't cover the whole city so isn't an accurate basis for judging neighborhoods (I think in North it ends on Lowry, not sure where in South) - plus I believe it includes dots where people "thought" they heard gunshots which isn't a reliable report as well. And I've read about numerous other innacuracies, I would take the "shots fired" with a grain of salt. If there's interest, I could single out each individual crime and do the reports for each neighborhood using the same numbers.

There were a number of things that caused me to raise my eyebrows, like you said - you have to take certain things into context. I was very surprised to see Cedar Riverside pretty low on the list (especially considering the underreporting of population in this neighborhood which would have made it even lower). But, it's possible that crime is vastly underreported in this neighborhood due to a number of social/ cultural factors (or at least I've heard this theory/ critique on several occassions). Whereas in my own neighborhood if a bike gets stolen, people will immediately be on the horn with the police department (demanding to file a report), their block club, the neighborhood assocation, and anyone else that might listen asking for information and/or providing details on the incident.

[Camden Northsider]

Originally Posted by Clifford63

Generally anything east of Lyndale is not considered SW by those who live there. That would exclude Kingfield, Tangletown and Windom.

I've heard that people that live east of Lyndale in SW don't want to associate themselves with the snobs that live west of lyndale...(maybe a secession is in order?)

Originally Posted by Clifford63

As I commented earlier - how bad are some of these areas looking past the numbers. Not that bad if you ask me. NE is really a nice area of the city in my book.

My thoughts exactly about living on the Northside...