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I think everybody knows and understands that it sucks here in the winter.
People who live here hate it, just like everyone else in the country would hate it.
But, many people make the best of it and find things to do that are unique, and things that can't really be done in other places. Like skating, playing ice hockey outside, skiing, cross country skiing, ice fishing, snowmobiling, sledding, snowboarding, etc.
The cold is awful, but not THAT bad. From and outsider's point of view, it may seem CRAZY, but your body gets used to it. For instance, it was 30 the other day and it literally felt like spring. 30 was SO good. But if it were to get down to 30 in May, it would seem like the end of all ends. Also, there are jackets that are made for dealing with cold. On a 5 degree day with a nicely made, winter-ready coat, you are fine. Most people work 40 hrs a week. They wake up, get into their cars, go to work, go home, eat dinner, watch tv and go to bed. So that leaves you about a totoal of 10 minutes being outside, so its not that bad.
I just think that the summers are so great here, and ive been to a lot of places during the summer.
I personally love the cold weather. I am actually trying to get a job in Mpls so I can relocate from Atlanta(I have family in Mpls). I hope I get to Mpls in time for the winter carnival in St. Paul. I live in Georgia so snow is a rarity(cold weather is less rare, but it hit 61 in Atlanta today).
I moved here when I was married with two children. That was a long time ago. The only other place I would move to is the Pacific NW. I personally love the winters and though y'all will think I'm crazy, I would love to spend summers in the Pac. NW because of the low humidity and come back for snow and the holidays in winter. It does get brutally cold at times, but it is such a cozy, beautiful, cultural, wide-open-space to be, and the winters don't stop us from doing what we like to do unless you can't drive through snow which rarely happens during any given winter.
Minneapolis finally met a national survey that doesn’t like it.
Despite topping myriad “best-city-for _____” lists, Minneapolis lands near the bottom of a list of cities ranked by popularity as a place to live.
Only 16 percent of respondents to a survey by the Pew Research Center’s Social & Demographic Trends project said they’d like to live in the City of Lakes or its surrounding metro area. Only Kansas City, Cincinnati, Cleveland and Detroit ranked lower in the study.
Denver topped the list of 30 cities, with 43 percent of respondents saying they’d like to live there. San Diego, Seattle, Orlando, and Tampa, Fla., rounded out the top five.
The Minneapolis-St. Paul region typically scores well on national surveys. In the past two years the area has scored:
Pew found that 46 percent of those surveyed would rather live somewhere else.
Pew also found that:
By a 3-1 ratio, people want to live where the pace of life is slow and where neighbors know each other well.
By about 2-1, they prefer to live in a hot-weather place over a cold-weather place.
About 70 percent of whites rate their current community as “excellent” or “very good,” but only about half of Latinos and 40 percent of African-Americans say the same.
Rural and suburban residents rate their communities better than do residents of cities and small towns.
Pew’s report is based on a telephone survey of a nationally representative sample of 2,260 adults, conducted Oct. 3-19. If you’d rather have a hamburger than a latte in your neighborhood, you’re not alone. The study found that more people would rather live in a place with more McDonald’s restaurants (43 percent) than more Starbucks coffee shops (35 percent).
OMG you posted a strong dislike here a while back. What is your problem that you need to repeat it? It's not going to change the minds of those of us who love it, and may keep it less populated, just the way we like it.
This poll is garbage. I think it was manipulated to get the results that they wanted. For instance when I saw the original list a few weeks ago, I noticed that the only representation of the Southeast (minus Florida) was Atlanta, a place that they knew would not get many votes, yet hotbeds such as Charlotte, Raleigh and Nashville were not even on the list. The list also neglected any mention of Austin. I think all of these places would rival for the top spot nationally.
Also without a better understanding of the sample population, these results are meaningless. I wonder just how random selections were...
Obviously he's being an ass... par for the course with JMadison.
So JMadison.... tell me something...
Did your ancestors EVER leave their native lands to make a better life for themselves and their families? Huh?
I love to tell the story of my ancestor - William Morris... born in England in 1722.
At the age of 14 he stowed away on a ship as it was leaving the harbor from Liverpool and ended up in America. A well-to-do gentleman aboard the ship befriended him and provided him with room and board and an education... or so the story goes...
I guess you could call him one of the earliest "illegal immigrants"?
I guess he received "welfare" from the gentleman who befriended him upon the ship?
My ancestor, William Morris, went on to be a pioneer in the the Great Kanawha Valley of Virginia, where he had a shipyard and fought in the Revolutionary War, alongside several of his 8 sons... there is a "William Morris" chapter of the "Daughter of the American Revolution". You can look it up online.
My point is.... ALL of us, unless we are 100% Native American, have ancestors who were born elsewhere and for whatever reasons ended up here in the United States.
Either get over it or move to the boondocks and live alone in a cabin in the woods - And far, far away from any and all Internet access!
Grrr!
[Edit: My apologies to Minnehahapolitan, in error I originally directed these comments to you rather than JMadison]
What's your point? The terrain we now find outselves on is that lots of our ancestors came over here and, depending on how you want to cast it, conquered this place, or committed genocide against the natives.
So the U.S. is here. And how, through some misplaced "white guilt" about the past (a time when all groups were fighting for their spots on the planet) we're supposed to just roll over, play dead and give it up? And give it up to Africanization?
Africanized = most screwed up, in general, worldwide.
Simple as that.
Somehow whitey went from having the spine to do what you suggest... get on planks of wood blown around by bedsheets and come over here and do what was done... to accepting guilt for creating what is still the place most people try to immigrate to.
Pffft to you, LOL!
As far as my ancestory, who know? On person in the family has done some tracing back to the Mayflower. On the other side all I know is we had some shipbuilders in Va. A few other famous names come up here and there. But not so close that the millions (or even billions) associated with those names ever made it to me, LOL! I'm trapped in the working classes like most other folks. So what's your point?
And if you want to talk about Native Americans, history buffs I talk to tell me, that at least east of the Missisippi they were fighting and killing each other off with some regularity. It's not like they were a bunch of peace loving sorts living in some pollyanna Eden.
Bottom, line, the stats show Afro = Decline, so why should people want to avoid it?
What's your point? The terrain we now find outselves on is that lots of our ancestors came over here and, depending on how you want to cast it, conquered this place, or committed genocide against the natives.
So the U.S. is here. And how, through some misplaced "white guilt" about the past (a time when all groups were fighting for their spots on the planet) we're supposed to just roll over, play dead and give it up? And give it up to Africanization?
Africanized = most screwed up, in general, worldwide.
Simple as that.
Somehow whitey went from having the spine to do what you suggest... get on planks of wood blown around by bedsheets and come over here and do what was done... to accepting guilt for creating what is still the place most people try to immigrate to.
Pffft to you, LOL!
As far as my ancestory, who know? On person in the family has done some tracing back to the Mayflower. On the other side all I know is we had some shipbuilders in Va. A few other famous names come up here and there. But not so close that the millions (or even billions) associated with those names ever made it to me, LOL! I'm trapped in the working classes like most other folks. So what's your point?
And if you want to talk about Native Americans, history buffs I talk to tell me, that at least east of the Missisippi they were fighting and killing each other off with some regularity. It's not like they were a bunch of peace loving sorts living in some pollyanna Eden.
Bottom, line, the stats show Afro = Decline, so why should people want to avoid it?
Native Americans and Africans weren't the only ones dealing with violence and killing. Vikings were doing the same things. You had killing and pillaging on every continent.
Native Americans and Africans weren't the only ones dealing with violence and killing. Vikings were doing the same things. You had killing and pillaging on every continent.
Besides, you're going off topic.
Yes, exactly.
I don't think I'm off point. Original poster basically says, folks don't think much of Twin Cities as a place to live anymore. I proposed africanization as a possible reason. There's a Somali resettlement center there and the TC are considered to have the largest Somali population outside of Somalia. 2000 census figure were about 20%/12% for Minn/St. Paul respectively for blacks.
I've seen psychological studies that show most believe an area has "tipped" and gone bad when it's at just the 3%-5% black level.
I don't think I'm off point. Original poster basically says, folks don't think much of Twin Cities as a place to live anymore. I proposed africanization as a possible reason. There's a Somali resettlement center there and the TC are considered to have the largest Somali population outside of Somalia. 2000 census figure were about 20%/12% for Minn/St. Paul respectively for blacks.
I've seen psychological studies that show most believe an area has "tipped" and gone bad when it's at just the 3%-5% black level.
MPLS being "Africanized" seems rather farfetched. Blacks make up about 1/5 of the Mpls population. St. Paul, blacks make up about 12%. Atlanta would be considered more "Africanized" according to some people. There are alot of Somalians, as well as Kenyans and Nigerians living in Atlanta, and blacks are in the majority in Atlanta(around 60% of the population). I don't think "Africanization" has anything to do with it. People want to move to Atlanta more than they do to the TC area. My guess is the climate and the taxes. Alot of people don't want to pay taxes. Minnesota has higher taxes than Georgia. Minnesota gets much colder than Georgia. Alot of people would rather live in warmer climates. As for me, I wouldn't mind a bit of cold. It makes things cleaner. It makes for better snow, better winter sports.
MPLS being "Africanized" seems rather farfetched. Blacks make up about 1/5 of the Mpls population. St. Paul, blacks make up about 12%. Atlanta would be considered more "Africanized" according to some people. There are alot of Somalians, as well as Kenyans and Nigerians living in Atlanta, and blacks are in the majority in Atlanta(around 60% of the population). I don't think "Africanization" has anything to do with it. People want to move to Atlanta more than they do to the TC area. My guess is the climate and the taxes. Alot of people don't want to pay taxes. Minnesota has higher taxes than Georgia. Minnesota gets much colder than Georgia. Alot of people would rather live in warmer climates. As for me, I wouldn't mind a bit of cold. It makes things cleaner. It makes for better snow, better winter sports.
I guess.
I turned down what may have been a high 5 to low 6 figure job based on what I saw on the net about the Somali population in the TC. Didn't want to get there just to be trying to get out
Having lived in places at just the 5% level as too much for me. 20% is one in five. That's alot to my perceptions. Essentially unavoidable.
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