Do you consider people "Uppity" in the twin cities?

[K-Luv]

Originally Posted by Duluth07

People from Duluth (historically) don't like people from Minneapolis because they think they're snobs. The other thing is that people from Minneapolis think that Duluth is like Grand Marais or International Falls, a bunch of 'Northern Exposure' people where there are no urban problems, no prostitution, no mixed-race babies, no gay people, no gangs, no drug related homicides, no street robberies. Duluth is basically what Minneapolis was 20-30 years ago but on a much smaller scale. On a statewide level Duluth typically misses out on all the transportation and urban planning money that almost always goes to Minneapolis/St. Paul issues, roads, etc. There is a huge resentment there. There is also a perception that people in Minneapolis are urban snobs who think that Minneapolis is like New York or something...

You do realize the demographics here, don't you? Minnesota is a large state, yet 80% of the states population lives in an area that comprises 1/60th(?) of the total area. That 80% of the states population pays for 90% of the rest of the state. Of course there are going to be bitter feelings.

[jazzymentality]

Originally Posted by mn2co

i can't tell you how ridiculous that statemnt is "people in the twin cities uppity....)

the twin cities is comprised of many people from many different places - even northern mn. So, someone moves from northern mn to mpls and whala - instant uppity

ok.

[whoopsie goldburg]

Originally Posted by Duluth07

there are no urban problems, no prostitution, no mixed-race babies, no gay people, no gangs, no drug related homicides, no street robberies.

this quote really gave me the giggles because all of these "problems" exist in duluth, and then some. have you read the news-tribune anytime within the last 12 months?

[moving123456]

Originally Posted by whoopsie goldburg

this quote really gave me the giggles because all of these "problems" exist in duluth, and then some. have you read the news-tribune anytime within the last 12 months?

You seem to have cut that quote off which totally changes it.

Original quote.....

Originally Posted by Duluth07

The other thing is that people from Minneapolis think that Duluth is like Grand Marais or International Falls, a bunch of 'Northern Exposure' people where there are no urban problems, no prostitution, no mixed-race babies, no gay people, no gangs, no drug related homicides, no street robberies.

[whoopsie goldburg]

cutting off "the other thing is that..." does not change the meaning of the quote whatsoever.

[moving123456]

Originally Posted by whoopsie goldburg

cutting off "the other thing is that..." does not change the meaning of the quote whatsoever.

That is not the part I was talking about.

You changed this.....

Originally Posted by Duluth07

people from Minneapolis think that Duluth is like Grand Marais or International Falls, a bunch of 'Northern Exposure' people where there are no urban problems, no prostitution, no mixed-race babies, no gay people, no gangs, no drug related homicides, no street robberies.

into this....

Originally Posted by Duluth07

there are no urban problems, no prostitution, no mixed-race babies, no gay people, no gangs, no drug related homicides, no street robberies.

One says "people from minneapolis think", the other implies that it is Duluth07's personal thought.

[Clifford63]

Originally Posted by Duluth07

People from Duluth (historically) don't like people from Minneapolis because they think they're snobs. The other thing is that people from Minneapolis think that Duluth is like Grand Marais or International Falls, a bunch of 'Northern Exposure' people where there are no urban problems, no prostitution, no mixed-race babies, no gay people, no gangs, no drug related homicides, no street robberies. Duluth is basically what Minneapolis was 20-30 years ago but on a much smaller scale. On a statewide level Duluth typically misses out on all the transportation and urban planning money that almost always goes to Minneapolis/St. Paul issues, roads, etc. There is a huge resentment there. There is also a perception that people in Minneapolis are urban snobs who think that Minneapolis is like New York or something...

However, and this is 'funny', the same attitude persists between Iron Rangers (International Falls, Virginia, Hibbing - 150 miles north of Duluth) and Duluthians. Because Saint Louis County extends from Duluth to 165 miles north, the same complaint about Duluth getting all the money for city projects and the far north towns getting nothing, etc., is there too.

Having lived both in downtown Minneapolis (where there is a new Stage Apartments complex where a 380 sq. ft. apartment goes for nearly $800 a month, and downtown Duluth (where most studios go for $400 a month; the HRA is right downtown, and while there is affordable high rise housing, it is almost all for those 62 and over). We had bad urban planners here who didn't have the same vision as Minneapolis planners did (people living, working, walking and creating a 24 hour downtown community) - maybe that is perceived as uppity. I think it's just responsible planning for a modern urban area - if you work downtown, workout downtown, your doctor is in Medical Arts, etc., and most importantly, you don't have kids or a relationship, it just makes sense to have a small space of your own to live in downtown...that way you save tons of money by not having a car (that's my thinking anyway) but you end up getting screwed in the end by paying $800+ for an apartment that would be the size of the YMCA or YWCA dorm rooms from half a century ago, that for today would probably run $195 a month. I think it's a total rip off to advertise something (I'm talking Stage Apartments) as 'urban dwelling for working downtowners' and then stick an $800 price tag on their poor man's unit. What 'typical working downtowner are they talking aobut? The guy who works at the popcorn stand or the partner at a law firm? That's where the uppity perception comes in - that only those with a masters or doctorate are welcome in Minneapolis, those who don't have those credentials aren't worth anything and thus aren't wanted.

Some people are off base from reality, but not to the extent you suggest. Much of the tension comes from people that travel from Location A to Location B and expect everything to be the same, or profoundly better than Location A. Sometimes refered to the geographic cure. The flaw of this logic is a that person generally brings their problems with them.

There is a lot of opportunity in the cites to do well in terms of pay. The rest of the story is that many people compete for the same opportunities, which raises the bar on qualifications. It also raises the cost of housing. This seems to surprise a lot of people looking to move to the cities from outstate areas. I know a fair number of UMD grads working in the cities, and most seem like they are doing fine here. I also know many people that came from the Dakotas, Iowa, and Wisconsin and place beyond. That said, a high school grad with no special skills is going to find out in a hurry that the metro market is brutal. Wages are the same as they are in Duluth, but the cost of living is much higher. Same would be true of Seattle, Boston, Chicago ... My opinion is that some people find it easier to believe that the metro area is full of uppity snobs, than to take a hard look at the job skills they have. There are some uppity people, but by my standard you can find that anywhere including Duluth.

I was looking to move to Duluth a few years back. I was fine with a pay cut and felt good about being able to find a decent job. There were some decent jobs, but it was all about who you know, not what you know. I got some interviews, but never got an offer which seemed quite odd. More or less decided it wasn't meant to be. I can deal with loosing a job because somebody is more experianced or qualified, but it really sucks seeing somebody get the job because they know somebody you don't.

In all Minneapolis and Duluth are very different places.