Suburb gangs (Minneapolis, St. Paul, Brooklyn Park: mobile home, transfer, neighborhoods)

[gatorinmn]

Now that was funny.

It is not surprising that people in the suburbs tend to overstate how idyllic their towns are while suggesting that the cities are oversized barios, while people in the city tend to castigate the suburbs folks for having gone to the 'burbs for no reason, since the cities are so "beautiful" and "crime free." But, as a general matter, it's hard to argue with the proposition that there is more gang activity and gang violence -- on a percentage basis, not just by sheer numbers -- to be found in the inner cities than in the 'burbs.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

civil rights laws are preventing enforcement of gang laws.
so a game of cat and mouse continues with parents trying to escape the failure called k12 which is defenseless against gangs.
voucher sooner the better.

What do you mean by civil rights laws?

[moving123456]

Originally Posted by Star Tribune

On the morning of the fight at Chaska High, most students were eating breakfast or socializing in the commons area. But near the vending machines, security cameras captured a verbal exchange about to erupt between a group of Latino and black students

Hmm...

[Duk123]

Originally Posted by moving123456

Hmm...

Yes Moving123456 they were Latino and black. 30 years ago they would have been white and black gangs. 75 years ago they might have been Irish and Italian. Get over the racist crap.

[Clifford63]

Originally Posted by Camden Northsider

Sorry- deleted last post. But to answer your question, no- the cities proper are way denser and have way more people, of course there is more crime. But if you did a per capita analysis, it would be interesting to see how they stack up- it's likely that Mpls/ St. Paul would still be a fair amount higher, but I think many folks in the area drastically blow out of proportion the crime/ school/ whatever else other quality of life indicator when comparing the cities proper to the suburbs, and they too easily forget that there are many areas of the cities proper that have less crime/ better schools than a number of suburban areas. If I wasn't familiar with the cities and had never been here before, by reading a lot of posts on here, I'd get the impression that whenever someone is in the city, they're constantly dodging gunfire- until they cross back over the city limits into the burbs, upon which birds immediately start chirping in unison to the beautiful sounds of a classical violinist playing in the background.

Sadly, a great many people from the burbs and the core cities do not have great knowledge of what it is like to walk in the other's shoes. I don't think anyone should feel they have the right to judge the choices that others make regarding where they live or define what version of Utopia is the choosen one.

I totally get where Slig was coming when calling out Golfgal, becasue I get sick of hearing about how great Rosemount is too. I just think more of the same does not help a lot. The posted article was of some interest, but mostly spun from ****.

[golfgal]

So there is one fight in Chaska and all of the sudden there is a huge gang problem in the suburbs. ok, whatever. As for me touting Rosemount, guess what, it is a great place to live. It is no different then Camden supporting his neighborhood or Slig supporting his neighborhood with the boarded up houses. What ever turns your crank I guess.

[Minnehahapolitan]

Originally Posted by golfgal

So there is one fight in Chaska and all of the sudden there is a huge gang problem in the suburbs. ok, whatever. As for me touting Rosemount, guess what, it is a great place to live. It is no different then Camden supporting his neighborhood or Slig supporting his neighborhood with the boarded up houses. What ever turns your crank I guess.

It isn't just one fight. That was part of the anecdotal evidence presented by the Star Tribune to illustrate harder data on the matter. There is already a problem in quite a few suburbs (Shakopee, Richfield, Brooklyn Pk. Brooklyn Ctr., Anoka, Northfield, Faribault) and it is bound to get worse -- the livability and safety of Minneapolis is improving pretty quickly and as a result people are getting pushed out. It doesn't mean that the people are going away, and they don't give a damn about an imaginary line on a map. Minneapolis (Hennepin County to a lesser extent) has the infrastructure and knowledge necessary to fight this problem. They have done just that. How do you think Shakopee is going to be able to cope with this problem? Scott County won't even pass a transit tax, are they going to do an 180 and suddenly want to raise their taxes to pay for new officers? That defeats half the point of living out there. If you think that Slig's ghetto looks bad, wait until you see it set on a suburban backdrop.

[gatorinmn]

^^^^ You gotta be kidding me. Come talk to me when you feel more comfortable walking around downtown Minneapolis at 3:00 am than you do walking around in Shakopee or Chaska.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

civil rights laws are preventing enforcement of gang laws.
so a game of cat and mouse continues with parents trying to escape the failure called k12 which is defenseless against gangs.
voucher sooner the better.

Oh please Civil rights, K12 "failure", vouchers? I know exactly where you're coming from....and I don't like it.

[Camden Northsider]

Originally Posted by golfgal

So there is one fight in Chaska and all of the sudden there is a huge gang problem in the suburbs. ok, whatever. As for me touting Rosemount, guess what, it is a great place to live. It is no different then Camden supporting his neighborhood or Slig supporting his neighborhood with the boarded up houses. What ever turns your crank I guess.

I agree with what you're saying golfgal, but it's misleading to imply that the only "issue" the suburbs have had lately is "one fight in chaska". There has been as much if not more "newsworthy" violence this year in suburban locales as there has been in Minneapolis- do a quick search on the strib's website and stories like this will come up:

4th charged in Lakeville shootings

http://www.startribune.com/local/nor...?elr=KArksUUUU

http://www.startribune.com/local/44377687.html?elr=KArksCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiacyKUnc iaec8O7EyUr (broken link)

http://www.startribune.com/local/eas...D3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

http://www.startribune.com/local/sou...?elr=KArksUUUU

http://www.startribune.com/local/sou...?elr=KArksUUUU

http://www.startribune.com/local/44293277.html?elr=KArksUUUU (broken link)

http://www.startribune.com/local/sou...?elr=KArksUUUU