Will North Minneapolis turn around? (pay, overnight, urban)

[Judge, Jury, Executioner]

Originally Posted by EastsideManiac

I don't think North Minneapolis is even that bad compared to other cities. It's been blown way out of the water when one thinks Minneapolis is a crime ridden city when it's not as bad as it seems. Minneapolis has jobs and other things to offer. You don't find that elsewhere in the Midwest besides Des Moines. Other cities in the Midwest are way more dangerous and they really need help in turning their cities around. I've lived in Minnesota and it's nothing like Flint, Mi. Flint has a population of about 120,000 people and they average around 45-65 murders a year. The same with Gary, Indiana. Minneapolis has a population of about 330,000 and had like 42 murders. You see what I mean? It's not that bad when you do comparisons to other cities.

Nobody said Minneapolis, as a whole, is a crime ridden city, and you're right when you say Minneapolis has a lot to offer.

However, you're skewing statistics by referencing North Minneapolis with its crime but then using Minneapolis' total population, instead of just using North Minneapolis' crime rate and North Minneapolis' population.

And drawing a comparison to Flint and Gary?! That would be like me saying, "Oh, yeah, Detroit isn't that bad, haven't you ever been to the favelas in Rio?" Just because North Side isn't as bad, doesn't mean it isn't bad. I'd like to think that we, as Minnesotans, hold a little bit higher standards for our cities than that.




Let's take a look at just a few of the many "highlights" from the last couple weeks:

DOA: ASLT2
Broadway Av W & Bryant Av N Sunday 09-27-09 13:18 hr 09-307184
Officers were called to a large fight with shots fired. V1/BM-18 yrs. was shot in torso at Burger King’s (DOA) and V2/BM-15 yrs. was shot at by S1/unk BM/18-20 yrs.

ASLT2’
Golden Valley Rd & Morgan Av N Thursday 09-24-09 15:45 hrs 09-303967
V1/BM-20 yrs. was walking w/girlfriend through park when a group of boys playing football asked him if he wanted to play. V1 tackled S1/unk BM-20 yrs. 510”/medium/braids and V1’s team won. S1’s anger flared and the others couldn’t calm him down. S1 drew a knife/lunged forward/stabbed V1 in the leg. All players/S1 fled. V1 was taken to Hsp. w/NLT wound.

CSCR
45 Av N & Lyndale Av N Saturday 09-26-09 01:00 hrs 09-306204
V1/BF-17 yrs. said she was at a friend’s house and walked to McDonalds by herself. She was approached by S1/unk BM-40’s/dark/fade/510-6 ft./tall. S1 said he was going to get her and that he had a gun. S1 picked her up and took her behind U-haul trucks were parked. S1 threatened to kill her, forced sex and then fled. V1 went back to friend’s home to sleep. When at her home, V1 showered and then reported to parents. She was taken to Hsp. for SARS exam.

ASLT2
14XX 18th Av N Thursday 09-24-09 22:16 hrs 09-304350
AP1/Reyes, David – mixed race male 25 yrs.(goatee), AP2/Spencer, Christopher –BM 28 yrs., AP3/Pratt, Primas-BM 22 yrs. caught w/BERETTA, 9mm, semi-auto pistol 5” BBL Mfg./Ackk Md USA. AP2 and AP3 were in vehicle when Officers stopped them. AP3 fled on foot/chased/pointed handgun at Officers and escaped on foot. AP2 was ID’d as pointing a gun at 2 juveniles on 9-25-09. A short time later, AP2 and AP3 were caught in alley. AP1 was cited/released.

CSCR
14XX Plymouth Av N Sunday 10-04-09 10:45 hrs 09-314349
V1/mixed race/male - 2 yrs. told PG/mom-employed when she got home that his buttocks hurt and pointed to AP1/Williams, Jessie – BM/27 yrs. /unemployed. AP1 booked HCJ.


ASLT2
5 Av N & Logan Av N Monday 10-12-09 18:14 hrs 09-321056
V2 stated a red Ford Cougar pulled up and asked “What’s up w/all that mugging?” V2 believes it was directed towards V1 because of his response to S1 (“We ain’t worried about you.”) They then observed S1/unk BM 20-25 yrs./600-601”/short fade, let S2/BM 18-25 yrs. /506-507” w/thin beard/blond hair w/pony tail, get out/walk around to other side of veh where S3/unk-mixed race female 18-22 yrs./500-503”/lt. brown long hair in pony tail hand him an open purse. Suspects then went into store. They came out and as the victims were walking, the suspect car turned, headed toward them with window down and started shooting. V1/BM-19 yrs. was shot in neck (NLT). V2/BM-23 yrs., V3/BM-17 yrs. and V4/Mixed race male-28 yrs. were shot at w/no injuries.


I'm sorry, but if you don't think the North Side is "that bad" or that it's just a couple bad apples in each neighborhood, you are sorely wrong, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves (Camden, Uptown, Maniac) for perpetuating that lie!

[uptown_urbanist]

Wow, a little inconsistent there, don't you think? Aren't you attempting to misuse or skew statistics by looking at crime in all of North Minneapolis and trying to suggest that it's evenly spread out across all neighborhoods?

Not a single person on this thread has tried to say that North Minneapolis is completely safe, that all neighborhoods are great, or that there's no crime. They're saying that it's misleading to paint the picture of a broad area as all one big den of crime. There are good parts and there are bad parts. It's no more accurate to say that all of North Minneapolis is extremely dangerous and horrible than it is to say that all of North Minneapolis is safe and wonderful and without problems. The thing is, no one on this thread is saying that all of North Minneapolis is perfect, but there are some who seem to be saying that it's all horrible.

[VICTORY NEIGHBORHOOD ROCKS!]

All that I can say to people who come on here and only have negative things to say about the northside is...I grew up in the suburbs and bought my home here (border of Cleavland and victory) 8 years ago. I absolutely LOVE my neighborhood and neighbors!
The only crime I've seen in my neighborhood in the last 8 years are car and garage break-ins and they are few and far between. I invite you to spend time over here and by that I mean spend real time...this does not include driving through once in a while.

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[Camden Northsider]

Originally Posted by Judge, Jury, Executioner

Let's take a look at just a few of the many "highlights" from the last couple weeks:

I'm sorry, but if you don't think the North Side is "that bad" or that it's just a couple bad apples in each neighborhood, you are sorely wrong, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves (Camden, Uptown, Maniac) for perpetuating that lie!

Where the above crimes took place:
1. Border of near north/hawthorne
2. Border of Jordan/Willard-Hay
3. Lind-Bohanon
4. Near North
5. Near North
6. Harrison

So, the 6 crimes you posted took place in 4 neighborhood areas (note that there are TWELVE neighborhoods on the northside)- and although taking place in 4 n'hoods, a number were pretty geographically close to each other (e.g. near north and harrison, etc.). Furthermore, 5 of the crimes took place in the Near North area, and one took place in Camden- the Camden incident, like many of the Near North incidents, took place on a busy street which many others on this board have argued may not truly represent the safety of the residential area.

I'm sorry, but were you intending on providing evidence that supports the arguments that myself and others have been making this whole time?

[Duk123]

Crime Statistics Maps

IS there crime in NOMI? Yes but there's crime all over the city. Because, well IT'S A CITY. If you look at the reports some area of North are rougher than the city as a whole. But many areas of NOMI are as safe or safer then many of the so called desirable areas to live.
I would also like to see the crime stat reflect how many of the victims were involved in high risk behavior(ie.. drug use, prostitution, drug dealing, etc...) or have a record as long as Shaq is tall. I agree that in many cases you shouldn't blame the victim and that no matter what each victim is someones loved one. But violent crime that claims a completely innocent victim are pretty rare.
In fact the crime report that Judge, Jury and Executioner cited up until 3 months or so ago gave the number of police contacts that each person involved in a crime had.

[Duk123]

Originally Posted by DrpepperPHD

Curious of everyone's thoughts. They have NOMI organization now and it seems active neighborhood groups. If you think it can't, why?

Thanks for the comments in advance.

If you wonder if North can turn around all you have to do is look across the river at North East to see your answer. 15 years ago you were told to avoid North and NE Minnneapolis in the same breath.
Now NE is where many of the Uptown Hipsters are going to buy a house because most 25 to 35 year olds have be priced out of the housing market in large parts of South or you get much more bang for your buck in NE. But guess what the samething that happened in south is happening in NE values rises and many people have to look else where for housing.
Many of them are starting to look in North. I live on Logan between Lowry and Dowling so in those eight blocks in the last 6 months I can think of 5 houses that were sold to youngers couples. In those eight blocks I can think of about 5 to 10 other houses that have been bought, renovated and rented to younger people who work or go to school.
North is turning around. How it is now vs. how it was 5 years ago when we bought our house is a night and day difference. It still has a long way to go. But anyone who thinks it isn't changing for the better just needs to talk to some of my neighbors who have been here for 25+ years and listen to their horror stories of the 80's and 90's.

[MrMinneapolis]

Last time I was on the northside there was a police mobile command unit posted up in a parking lot, and cameras up on poles in a 4 block radius. I was like WTF and got the heck outta there.

If you looked up the info for every person in hennepin county jail the majority would have northside addresses.

[Dontbewillful]

I grew up in Burnsville.

In my 20s I lived everywhere from the heart of Lowertown to Northeast to Uptown.

For the past three years I lived in Camden, and just two weeks ago I bought my first house near 45th and Morgan, just off Victory Memorial. I specifically wanted to stay in Camden because 1) I love the neighborhood and 2) it's affordable and 3) many of my friends raising their families live here. I looked at crime maps extensively and there has not been a murder within several blocks of me for years.

I work in a real estate office and in my youth I was a courier, so I am familiar with the entire cities. While Camden is not a wonderland, I definitely feel safe here. I'm a jogger and feel comfortable jogging after dark, sometimes for 12+ miles, and I'm a single white female. Saying that all of North Minneapolis is a cesspool is like saying all of St. Paul sucks because parts of Phalen can be a little rough.

It's not perfect, sure. But when I was working on my house, most of my neighbors came up and introduced themselves to me with a smile and a grin. Many of them had lived there for 30+ years. That never happened to me when I lived in downtown, or even in uptown. I think I'll stay for a number of years more -- I could definitely see myself raising a family here. And where else could I get a gorgeous 4BR house for under $80k?

[Judge, Jury, Executioner]

Originally Posted by Camden Northsider

Where the above crimes took place:
1. Border of near north/hawthorne
2. Border of Jordan/Willard-Hay
3. Lind-Bohanon
4. Near North
5. Near North
6. Harrison

So, the 6 crimes you posted took place in 4 neighborhood areas (note that there are TWELVE neighborhoods on the northside)- and although taking place in 4 n'hoods, a number were pretty geographically close to each other (e.g. near north and harrison, etc.). Furthermore, 5 of the crimes took place in the Near North area, and one took place in Camden- the Camden incident, like many of the Near North incidents, took place on a busy street which many others on this board have argued may not truly represent the safety of the residential area.

I'm sorry, but were you intending on providing evidence that supports the arguments that myself and others have been making this whole time?

No, just making the point that North is horrible. I'm sorry, but your neighborhood isn't nice if you can't hang out on busy streets or travel any which direction for fear of stepping into one of the "bad neighborhoods".

Do you really want me to scour through police reports to find specific crimes for each neighborhood? I will, if you want, but I don't want to hear any of your stupid, unreasonable elimination factors (that was on the border, that happened after 8pm, it was a full moon) after that. I could also introduce you to some of the local criminals (mostly drug addicts, CHOMOs, and stick up kids) that will tell you that your neighborhood's imaginery barbed wire fence doesn't do anything from keeping them from crossing into your "nice" neighborhood.

Back to the original question: Will North turn around?

I'm gonna say yes...

The whites will continue to flood NOMI! and fulfill their quest for urbanization while simultaneously pushing the minorities farther out into the suburbs (most will probably begin their trail of tears through BC and BP out to Coon Rapids and Anoka). Their children, however, will still likely attend private schools out of fear of the pockets of inhabitants left behind, refusing to be pushed out of their (the place they grew up, not the placed they moved into a couple years ago) community. Then, everyone will rejoice (except for the owners of Friedman's, because they will be out of business and all people out in Anoka) as NOMI! reclaims it's title as the upscale area it once was.

[nick is rulz]

North Minneapolis isnt terrible, there are areas worth investing in. As a whole, yes, its higher crime than anywhere else in the metro. Thats not a debate, thats a fact. Stating that its not higher crime is no more or less ill informed than a person who applies a blanket statement saying its all bad.